Meeting Log. Jun 1 2014
[13:00] Carnth Hello and welcome
[13:00] Carnth This is the Litecoin Association's publice IRC meeting.
[13:01] TheMage hi
[13:01] Carnth Before we get started, please announce if you are active right now.
[13:01] computerchris is active
[13:01] TheMage active
[13:01] kyrio i am not active
[13:01] kyrio bye
[13:02] Carnth First, I will have agenda items, then other LA agenda item, then we will open the channel for everyone.
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[13:03] Carnth The number one agenda item is a new program called "The Safe Hash Rate Alliance"
[13:03] Carnth You can read full details about it here: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=20028.0
[13:04] Carnth The Safe Hash Rate Alliance was created to combat a single mining pool from getting too much of the Network Hash rate.
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[13:04] Carnth The Alliance works in two ways.
[13:05] Carnth 1. It will help spread awareness among miners about the dangers of a single entity having to much of the netowrk hash rate.
[13:05] Carnth 2. Mining pools will pledge to keep thier own hash rate below a certain threshold. 28%
[13:07] Carnth The pledge is a promise made by mining pool operators to the entire Litecoin community that they will keep a safe hash rate. And that they will take action if their rate begins to creep too high.
[13:07] Carnth This was brought about because of the recent coinotron problem where they reach above 50% of the netwrok hash rate.
[13:08] Carnth To keep Litecoin safe, this must be prevented in the future.
[13:08] peyman active
[13:09] Carnth Now, in order to make the Safe Hash Alliance program effective, the mining community must be on board with the program and ask their mining pool operators to make the pledge.
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[13:09] TheMage As a side note, I plan to collect all active initiatives to include this one and make a sticky on reddit so folks there can see as well
[13:10] Carnth After the mining pool operators make the pledge to the community, their pool will be listed in a specail sticky thread at the top of the Mining Pool section of the forum.
[13:10] Carnth The pools will also be able to display the Alliance logo on their website.
[13:11] Carnth Are there any questions about the Safe Hash Rate Alliance?
[13:11] crazik in
[13:11] arubi yes
[13:11] Carnth arubi: fire away
[13:12] arubi if one pool operator can open multiple pools that are each <28% under different names, how would we "catch" her?
[13:12] Carnth I specifically want each pool operator to make the pledge to keep below 28%. Not each of their pools.
[13:13] crazik if pools are independent
[13:13] arubi I get it, but we wouldn't be able to know if two pool operators are actualy one.
[13:13] TheMage I dont see a way to do that, plus there isnt too much of a concern with that. The main issue is not the pool operators going rouge, it would kill their golden goose. Instead some folks out there that may want to see LTC or other altcoins fail might hack the pool and cause an attack
[13:13] arubi right
[13:13] crazik on different infrastructure..
[13:14] TheMage thats my take anyways
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[13:14] Carnth The point of the Alliance is to make the Network safer. I would think it would be in the best interest to keep the network safe and make the pledge if your miners demand it.
[13:15] arubi it would be impossible to know, but it will keep the less mining-savvy users at peace
[13:15] Carnth arubi: You are correct, it is not 100% enforceable.
[13:15] crazik the most important is miners awareness
[13:16] crazik average miner says 'why not'
[13:16] Carnth But if a pool took the pledge and was later found to have broken it, the miners will be able to see this in the sticky.
[13:16] TheMage yes, make the miners aware and have them tell their pools to make the pledge
[13:16] crazik and doesn't see any problem
[13:16] arubi I'm alright with that, it's just important to explain the point that although it's impossible to be sure, this is being asked in good faith
[13:16] Carnth This program derives its power from the miners demanding a safer network.
[13:17] Carnth The miners get to chose where they point their hash rate.
[13:17] arubi well, the pool does
[13:17] arubi they choose the pool
[13:18] Carnth If a pool doesn't make blocks, then it wont earn their fees.
[13:18] arubi they'll make blocks, but an attack like that could be used for double spends, and that's what miners should be aware of
[13:18] TheMage yes
[13:19] arubi or even to attack a different chain. it might look to a miner like a 5% drop in luck and that's it
[13:20] Carnth TheMage: crazik; Your agenda items?
[13:21] TheMage hmmmm
[13:22] TheMage We are looking for submittions for the new 0.9 client splash screen to replace the current one, please see this topic here https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19989.0
[13:22] TheMage also the Litecoin video seems to be coming along nicely now, everyone can see updates here https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19799.0
[13:22] crazik hm.
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[13:23] crazik I've one, important thing. We all are now watching bitcoin rise, and asking 'why not litecoin'.
[13:23] crazik but..
[13:23] TheMage I made a Litecoin "state of the union" posting on reddit to try to combat FUD and trolls out there (it helped.....somewhat lol). That can be seen here http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/26xs05/litecoin_state_of_the_union/
[13:23] crazik we should remember, that we want to USE litecoin, not only sell
[13:23] crazik so please ask your local businesses for Litecoin payments
[13:24] TheMage crazik, ive addressed that in my reddit thread
[13:24] TheMage and yes! We need to do that, which brings me to my next point
[13:24] TheMage I'm going to start a new community project to make a "merchant basket", which will contain instructions and details on how a merchant can start accepting LTC
[13:24] roscoe_ is there any promotional or informational materials we can give to merchants when we ask them to support our coin?
[13:24] TheMage ^^
[13:25] TheMage we need to put it together, look for a post from me today sometime in the CP section
[13:25] roscoe_ ha, i type too slow...
[13:25] crazik roscoe_: not yet
[13:25] crazik not in one, simple form
[13:25] Carnth TheMage: mean Community Projects section
[13:25] crazik and, of course, it can be hard in some realities
[13:25] TheMage My hopes is that we can produce some material in PDF form that people can print out in a nice package and give to merchants
[13:26] crazik TheMage: +1
[13:26] TheMage yes.....the community projects lol
[13:26] peyman good idea TheMage
[13:26] TheMage So we will need artists and help from the community to put it together
[13:26] ThomasFX Many websites have like a ´Press Kit´, maybe we need that too?
[13:27] TheMage this should help when people ask their local businesses to accept LTC
[13:27] ThomasFX Example: http://ltc.blockr.io/ (Bottom right)
[13:27] TheMage Good idea Thomas!
[13:27] arubi good idea ThomasFX
[13:27] roscoe_ when there is one, I think there is a good population of business here in Colorado that are "shut out" of the traditional banking system that would embrace LTC as payment if they are guaranteed to get paid
[13:27] ThomasFX It cointains: graphics, PDF file with instructions etc
[13:28] ThomasFX I collected some graphic files here already: http://dl.thomasvanhoutte.be/litecoin/graphics/
[13:28] roscoe_ the exchange issue from LTC to local flat is the hardest part to explain, IMO
[13:28] ThomasFX Then we just need one or more PDF files with instructions
[13:28] ThomasFX Or maybe something they can print out and hang outside, like ´We accept Litecoins´
[13:29] ThomasFX True, as well as the uncertainty and volatility
[13:29] TheMage While I dont like them due to the entire Brock Peirce thing, we have GoCoin to help process payments. As well as I think Moohlah.io
[13:29] leetbean reiki111
[13:29] crazik ThomasFX: nice
[13:29] crazik I will place that on LA Press subpage
[13:30] roscoe_ yeah, the gocoin thing is a sticking point to me, but one I probably need to move past for the good of LTC
[13:30] TheMage other options will happen within the next year.....trust me there will be other payment processors
[13:31] crazik sure
[13:31] crazik there is interesting startup in CZ
[13:31] roscoe_ I look forward to seeing your project progress
[13:31] crazik and one more in PL
[13:32] Carnth OK, are there any other agenda items? Other questions?
[13:32] ThomasFX I heard someone by the name of TheMage is starting an exchange
[13:32] ThomasFX Carnth, yes, a more consistent use of the Litecoin logo
[13:33] ThomasFX The forum has another logo than the official site. Same for the favicons on the forums, site or wiki..
[13:33] TheMage I think ive addressed all agenda items, one more note is that if you havent already register at reddit. We need more good people to combat the trolls over there and let the reddit community know what we are doing for LTC. They seem to be at a loss with all of what we are doing as a community
[13:34] ThomasFX TheMage affirmative, upvote the good/important posts, while ignoring the spam/troll ones
[13:34] TheMage ahh yes my exchange, yes im making one.....still looking for more devs due to unforeseen circumstances. So if you are one or know of one let me know! (bad mage for self plugs.....lol)
[13:34] crazik ok, one more question from my side: anybody has problems with wiki/forum? everything works fine? speed/quality/etc?
[13:34] TheMage ok i have nothing else to address
[13:34] TheMage they work good for me crazik
[13:35] ThomasFX crazik that part is fine, works all flawlessly
[13:35] Carnth OK .Let's open the floor to everyone.
[13:35] roscoe_ Getting LCT listed on Bloomberg is progressing, please think of anyone who has acess to a Professional Terminal to contact Bloomberg and ask for LTC to be listed.
[13:36] roscoe_ Financial services firms, law firms, government offices, etc.
[13:37] TheMage I will add this to the reddit list roscoe
[13:38] roscoe_ Thank you
[13:38] roscoe_ I wll continue to update the thread on the forum as well.
[13:38] Carnth thanks roscoe_
[13:39] Carnth Any other items from anyone?
[13:39] ThomasFX Maybe this was addressed before; but how do we, in general, update the general public or enthusiast about Litecoin updates?
[13:39] crazik we are on way to create newsletter
[13:39] ThomasFX Some say the Litecoin developement progress is slowing down etc
[13:39] crazik but need good writers for that
[13:39] ThomasFX How will people be able to subscribe?
[13:39] crazik it's for LA members
[13:39] Carnth ThomasFX: The Dev Team annouces Litecoin updates. Litecoin Association retweets, re posts them.
[13:39] crazik so everyone by default
[13:39] ThomasFX So not for the general public?
[13:40] crazik no
[13:40] crazik ThomasFX: for public we have g+/twitter
[13:40] TheMage are there plans to post the letter on the LA website?
[13:40] crazik what letter?
[13:40] TheMage the newsletter
[13:40] crazik hm
[13:40] crazik I'm not sure, but we'll see
[13:40] ThomasFX TheMage I would love to see this. Or make it a blog on the LA website with recent updates? Each 3 posts, a newsletter is sent
[13:40] TheMage send it out to folks in the LA, but also post it in the public
[13:41] ThomasFX http://blog.litecoin.org/ Like the dev team does
[13:41] crazik there is many things happening behind the scenes
[13:41] ThomasFX I can´t imaging the info in the newsletter is super secret
[13:41] crazik and we don't have much time for blogging
[13:41] ThomasFX And when you put effort in writing the newsletter, better let it be read by 1000 instead of 100 people
[13:42] Carnth I make Twitter and G+ announcements at leats once a week.
[13:42] ThomasFX It can be small blog posts, like 5 to 15 sentences
[13:42] TheMage Thomas, want to make a post in the LA section to discuss this?
[13:42] crazik we can insert our twitter/g+ feed on LA website
[13:42] crazik instead of blog
[13:42] ThomasFX TheMage will do
[13:42] TheMage thats a good diea
[13:42] ThomasFX Crazik should be easy enough
[13:42] TheMage idea*
[13:42] ThomasFX Btw, how many LA members are there atm?
[13:42] crazik but..
[13:42] ThomasFX I have the impression we are with quite a few, but only very few are really active
[13:43] crazik we need more content authors for LA page
[13:43] crazik hm.
[13:43] Carnth It's easier if I can post to one or two sites instead on posting on twitter, G_, blog, forum, redit, etc. etc wt c
[13:43] crazik members.. last time it was ~35-50
[13:43] crazik 35-40
[13:43] ThomasFX If we blog; that content can than be shared on social media?
[13:44] Carnth ThomasFX: Yeah, if you have a significant blog post, let me know and I'll put it on the social netowrks,
[13:44] crazik ThomasFX: blog is one more thing to manage, remember, and place to write
[13:44] TheMage ThomasFX, I think his point was we need more help from folks
[13:44] ThomasFX Carnth Cool
[13:44] ThomasFX crazik True, but that would mean we have one central point where we provide updates
[13:44] ThomasFX TheMage Who are you referring to?
[13:44] crazik g+ is central point
[13:45] TheMage crazik mainly since he does the website updates
[13:45] crazik yeah
[13:45] crazik and I need help with content
[13:45] ThomasFX TheMage Ok I see
[13:45] crazik my english is 'engrish'
[13:45] TheMage LOL
[13:45] ThomasFX crazik
[13:45] ThomasFX you no speak good english ? (:
[13:46] crazik yeah
[13:46] Carnth crazik's English is Plinglish
[13:46] TheMage crazik, want me to advertize on reddit to find someone to help? Maybe you can make a post in the general section and I can link to it?
[13:46] ThomasFX I always tought you were all native speakers
[13:46] crazik TheMage: there was topic about creating 'charity' section..
[13:46] ThomasFX Or get in touch with people who have currently a blog?
[13:46] crazik with no response
[13:46] crazik Carnth: we call that 'ponglish'
[13:47] TheMage crazik, charity section? sorry I dont know what you mean
[13:47] ThomasFX crazik Something like this? http://www.dogedoor.net/dogecoin-charities/
[13:47] crazik TheMage: i asked for help ...
[13:47] TheMage ahh ok, thanks ThomasFX
[13:48] TheMage yes I do remember now.....unfortunately I dont have the skills. Let me go back to your post and lets start the dicussion again
[13:48] ThomasFX crazik, is it just a list of charities? Or really a page were the charity is introduced etc?
[13:48] crazik TheMage: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=16290.0
[13:48] ThomasFX TheMage sounds like a goog plan, maybe it got burried
[13:49] TheMage We are all working on multiple things, i think this is a case where it got dropped off
[13:49] TheMage lets revisit it and see if we can get help from the community
[13:49] crazik we are working on give Jira to LA
[13:49] crazik for managing projects
[13:49] ThomasFX Also, I´m kind of waiting for the Litecoin video in order to start another charity or another project
[13:49] crazik do you know Jira?
[13:49] Carnth crazik. yes, still in progress.
[13:49] ThomasFX Since I want to include the video thenI see there is progress, but very slowly
[13:50] ThomasFX crazik negative, who is Jira?
[13:50] crazik ThomasFX: Atlassian Jira
[13:50] TheMage i dont know Jira
[13:50] crazik google that
[13:50] Carnth Jitra is a project managemt app/tool.
[13:50] crazik software for managing tasks, projects, etc
[13:50] ThomasFX Oh, it´s software, not a person
[13:50] Carnth It's very big and awesome.
[13:50] crazik and, may be used as Helpdesk
[13:51] ThomasFX Agile FTW
[13:51] ThomasFX But yes, looks very handy to me
[13:51] TheMage anyone else have something they want to bring up?
[13:52] ThomasFX Yes, nobody replied on my remarks regarding the different logos of Litecoin being used
[13:52] TheMage link?
[13:53] Carnth ThomasFX: Specifically in the Forum and wiki website, correct?
[13:53] ThomasFX It´s in this chat, let me search
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[13:53] ThomasFX Carnth, yes, a more consistent use of the Litecoin logo
[13:53] ThomasFX <ThomasFX> The forum has another logo than the official site. Same for the favicons on the forums, site or wiki..
[13:54] Carnth ThomasFX: As Far as I know, coblee never annouced an Official Logo, that everyone should use.
[13:54] Carnth Several logos have been posted and coblee has liked a number of them.
[13:54] Carnth The LitecoinTalk logo is the newest one created by BitcoinFridge.
[13:55] Carnth the board members liked the new logo so much, we started using it as the Fourm Logo
[13:55] ThomasFX Okay great, so we can pick any logo. Still, it would be - in my opinion - better to have one logo used on all the official sites
[13:55] Carnth But you are correct, we also need to update the favicon as well.
[13:55] ferg_ time for another vote on thenlogo then?
[13:56] ThomasFX Carnth regarding the forum logo, I made a post and suggested to add a padding-top of 5px
[13:56] ThomasFX it´s not horizontally centered
[13:56] Carnth ferg_: The logo used on the Forum has been decided,
[13:56] ThomasFX ferg, I don´t really mind which logo it is, just the fact that we should have one
[13:56] Carnth ThomasFX: you are correct.... crazik please take notes and make changes!
[13:57] crazik khm.
[13:57] ThomasFX I´m willing to create the fitting meta tags, ready for mobile
[13:57] crazik i'm not sure about that padding
[13:58] ThomasFX I don´t know if it was 5px, let me see my post
[13:58] ThomasFX I tested it out
[13:58] crazik I want to have as small header as we can
[13:58] ThomasFX https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18201.msg154334#msg154334
[13:59] ThomasFX I also compressed the image so it saves bandwidth
[13:59] crazik 3kb?
[13:59] crazik bitch, please
[13:59] ThomasFX Yea, I always want to score 90% + on Google PageSpeed
[13:59] crazik not with cloudflare
[13:59] ThomasFX Also, it saves an HTTP request when you put a data URI instead
[14:00] crazik static files are served from CF cache
[14:00] TheMage LOL@ crazik "bitch please"
[14:00] Carnth BTW... some log history if anyone wants to take a look: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19976.msg174295#msg174295
[14:00] crazik ThomasFX: I will try fix in css
[14:01] ThomasFX crazik cool, thanks
[14:01] crazik if not
[14:01] crazik please ping me here
[14:01] ThomasFX Carnth ugh, the first logo was made by Coblee himself ?
[14:01] Carnth Ok. If there are no further items, I'll close this meeting. Thanks for coming.