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Title: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 14, 2016, 01:54:35 AM
Now that Im finally shipping the sticks its time to get your rigs ready software wise for them and have an official support point for the sticks. This post will be split in two main sections, one software to go over bfgminer downloads/running etc, and one for the actual hardware instructions.

Before I get started a big THANKS to all of you for making this possible. Its been a fun ride building the software and hardware from ground up for them, and I hope I've added a bit to the Litecoin community and hopefully get a few new miners interested in what Litecoin is all about with these!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1551/24508332810_76e0f81bf9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DkHBuf)

SOFTWARE:

BFGMINER 5.4.0 Install

I have built a native bfgminer driver for these with support for all of bfgminer’s bells and whistles. All three major systems are supported so you can mine these one whatever flavor of Windows, Linux, or Macs you want!

The driver is open sourced and available in the link below if you want to compile it yourself from the source (which you will have to for linux anyway). I have provided pre-built binaries for Windows and Mac that will work with just one click on a startup script for ease of use.

Driver Repo: https://github.com/jstefanop/bfgminer/tree/futurebit_driver

You will also need to install the latest version of Silicon Labs VPC drivers for Win/Mac OS links below.

Windows VPC Driver: https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/Software/CP210x_VCP_Windows.zip

Mac OS VPC Driver: https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/Software/Mac_OSX_VCP_Driver.zip

Windows pre-built binaries: compatible with XP/7/8/10
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1izgcftaxgqmx99/BFgminer-FutureBit-5.4-win32.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qn63pkae2pdlulm/BFgminer-FutureBit-5.4--win64.zip?dl=0

Mac pre-built binary: compatible with most 64 bit Macs with Mac OS 10.9 or later
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xxkp307ejjdy3qo/BFGminer-5.4-FutureBit-mac64%20.zip?dl=0

Linux: Easiest way to install with linux is to compile the source directly. Detailed instructions below
Install required dependancies (make sure you copy and paste the whole lines since the code is cut off and need to scroll to select all of it)

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sudo apt-get install build-essential autoconf automake libtool pkg-config libcurl4-gnutls-dev libjansson-dev uthash-dev libncurses5-dev libudev-dev libusb-1.0-0-dev libevent-dev (i think thats all of them let me know if i missed one)

clone repo
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git clone --branch futurebit_driver https://github.com/jstefanop/bfgminer.git
configure and make

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cd bfgminer
./autogen.sh
./configure CFLAGS=-O3 --enable-scrypt --enable-futurebit --disable-other-drivers
sudo make


If it complains about missing libraries you might need to
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sudo make install
sudo ldconfig


Running:

Once you have installed the drivers and bfgminer just plug in the miner to a USB port and double click on the Start_Moonlander file on your Mac/PC. The driver will auto-detect the board and start hashing at the default frequency.

Just edit that same file with a text editor to change pools, add bfgminer options, and change frequency. You can also use the -c flag and load it with your own config file.

For linux just run the full bfgminer command below to start it up or create your own similar scrypt

./bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=8 -S MLD:all --set MLD:clock=144

(you might need to run it as sudo if it complains about permission issues)

Keep in mind that most "ASIC" ports won't work with this miner, since it hashes at the same speed as GPUs from back in the day. So it will take forever to find a share. These can run fine at the lowest difficulty most pools offer which is 16. Just make sure you connecte to a var diff port or one that offers a fixed difficulty of 128 or lower.

Frequency:

The MoonLander can run on a very wide range of speed and efficiency, and leaves a lot of tuning up to you guys. Make sure you read up on the Hardware section below where I go more in-depth on frequency and voltage tuning.

The Moonlander has a default frequency setting of 144mhz, and can range from 104mhz to 400mhz.

To change the frequency just edit the number after —set MLD:clock= in the startup scrypt. You cant just put any number you want in there, otherwise it will default to base 104mhz. Between 104-200 mhz you can set the frequency to any number that is a multiple of 8, so 104, 112, 120 are all valid frequencies.

Between 200-400 mhz you can use any number that is a multiple of 16, so 256, 320 etc are all valid.

I don't recommend going past 352 Mhz on these unless you have really good cooling, as they get really unstable past the frequency and need to turn up voltage past 1v.


HARDWARE:

The Moonlander consists of a single Scrypt ASIC at its core that operates between 300kh/s to 1MH/s and consumes between 2-10 watts of power.

The ASIC is powered by an adjustable DC-DC buck supply that can output between .7v to 1.1v of core voltage, and is adjustable by turning the onboard potentiometer.

It also features communication LEDs so you can visually see whats going on with the board. The red LED flashes when communication is being sent to the ASIC, and the yellow LED flashes when the ASIC is responding. Lots of yellow flashes is a good thing, it usually means the ASIC has found a share :)

The board is mounted to the heatsink with a strong thermal adhesive, since this ASIC is designed to dissipate heat through its bottom side. The heatsink is “oversized” for the heat output of the ASIC, but its recommended you always have some sort of airflow over the heatsink fins when its running especially for frequencies over 144 Mhz. You could get away with no airflow if your running it under 144 Mhz. Make sure you touch the heatsink after a few minutes of running...the heatsinks should feel warm to the touch, if they feel really hot you need a stronger fan (if you have a IR temp gun check the top of the ASIC it should not be any hotter than 80C).

Below is a visual of the board for reference (note this is a prototype board but the layout is the same as the production boards).

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1568/24339445166_318416ef08_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D5N25j)


Voltage Adjustment:

You adjust the voltage by turning the Pot clockwise or counterclockwise with a fine flat head or philips screwdriver. This pot is VERY sensitive, the whole .7-1.1v range is within HALF a turn. You must do micro adjustments if you want to do very fine tuning. For example going from .75 - .8 v might take as little as a little torque pressure on the screwdriver even if you don't feel it actually twist.

Make sure you have place the stick horizontal and the USB end is facing LEFT (ie you can read FutureBit Moonlander normally on the board).

To turn the voltage UP turn the pot CLOCKWISE, to turn it DOWN, COUNTERCLOCKWISE.

DONT keep turning the POT, it has no stop and if you go past its lowest or highest setting you could break it.

To check the voltage use a multimeter and contact the ground wire to any of the exposed terminals on the output capacitors (circled and labeled ground in the picture), and the positive wire to the terminals on the other side (circled and labeled VCORE). Be extra careful not to short anything as a single short anywhere on the board while its powered will most likely fry it.

The sticks are shipped to you guys with the voltage setting at around .75v, which is good for USB 2 power draw and can hash up to around 200mhz stable.

I would NOT recommend going past 1v, anything in the 1-1.1v range will most likely reduce the lifetime of the ASIC and you will need a strong fan to keep it properly cooled pushing air over the heatsink.

Tuning:

Now to the fun part. Your goals here can vary from trying to get the absolute maximum hash rate (at the expense of power), to the absolute lowest hasrate/watt, or find a nice sweet spot.

Tuning any switching transistor based processing unit revolves around supplying enough current so the transistors on the chips actually switch on and off correctly within their cycle times.

The higher the frequency or “switching time” the less time a transistor has to “charge” so you need more current (ie turn up the voltage). If these requirements are not met the transistors don't function properly and you have what you know as a “Hardware Error”

So if you lets say leave the stick at its stock .75 volt setting and try to run it at 300mhz, it will either not start, or it will produce almost 100% hardware errors. So you need to gradually dial up the core voltage until these errors are reduce to a good level.

To get started what you need to know is the optimal hash rate the ASIC will operate at for a given frequency. This ASIC has 54 cores and assuming all cores are active (you might have a couple dead cores which is acceptable) the optimal hash rate is:

2.77 KH/s per Mhz

So lets say your running at 208 Mhz, under ideal conditions the stick will operate at 208 * 2.77 = 576 KH/s

This is the target hash rate for a given frequency, and you can adjust the core voltage to meet that.

Keep in mind “zero” hardware errors isn't always the best setting. If your getting a hardware error it does not necessarily mean your missing out on valid shares. A good reference point is to keep HW errors to under 5%, and after running for at least an hour if you see that your hash rate is indeed 5% below target level then you know that your under tuned and need to bring up the voltage a bit.

You can also do voltage adjustment “live” by setting the difficulty really low at your pool so you submit at least a share every second or so. You can then turn the pot up and down and watch the hardware errors as you adjust the voltage in real time.

I think that covers the basic and hope you guys have fun with these!


Ill post up FAQs etc below and edit this post as you guys start playing with them and have questions.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 14, 2016, 01:54:59 AM
Q:Why does my X hub does not work with my Moonlanders?
Most USB 2.0 and a lot of 3.0 powered USB hubs will NOT work with these sticks. Powered USB hubs need to meet two requirements to reliably support the high current these sticks draw. First they need to have a clean high quality power supply that can output at least 1A PER port. To run the sticks at full speed you need at least 2A per port. Second they need to comply with USB standards which ALOT of cheap HUBs don't...which causes a lot of EMI issues and disconnects. Unfortunately its trial and error to figure this out, but from my testing Anker 3.0 USB hubs seems to work fine under Windows and Mac, and the Superbpag 7 port hubs seems to be the best for this type of application and provides lots of power per port and works under all three OSes.

Q: Bfgminer detects my moonlander but nothing happens when it connects to my pool
Don't forget that even though this is a very powerful scrypt miner for its size, its still "slow" when compared to other ASICS which most pools are optimized for these days. Some pools have a scrypt difficulty default of 256 or higher, in which case it could take several minutes for your moonlander to find a share. So it might seem like its not working. For best results set your diff to 128 or lower, contact your pool operator for what diffs they have set for each port.

Q: Can I run my moonlander without a fan?
You can probably get away with no fan on the lowest voltage setting and below 144mhz frequency. I would still not recommend this and you should have at least a small light fan blowing over the fins to make sure it wont overheat. Higher frequencies will require more airflow, and make sure the airflow is blowing parallel with the heatsink fins. If the heatsink is too hot to touch (above 50C) then its running too hot.

Q: How do I know which stick is which under bfgminer?
Each stick is hardcoded with a unique serial number, which can be displayed by pressing "M" in bfgminer then scrolling through the list of sticks which will show each serial number(the serial number is also visible in Device Manager etc). You can physically write the last 3 digits somewhere on the stick to easily identify it.

Q: What frequencies can I set my moonlander?
The moonlander supports any frequency between 104mhz to 400mhz in multiples of 8. If its not a multiple of 8 the frequency will default to 104. You can change the frequency by editing the Start_Moonlander.bat under windows or .sh file under Mac and editing the number after "--set MLD:clock="

Q: How can I set frequency to a particular stick in a mutistick setup under bfgminer?
If you want to specify frequencies for each individual miners you can point which frequency gets set to which miner by changing the global --set MLD:clock=144
to --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB0:clock=320  (note I haven't really tested if you can keep the global option and lets say just set one stick to a different frequency...if you do it this way you might have to specify frequencies for each miner port individually even if some of them are the same, since the global option might override individual frequencies).

So if you have two sticks and want two different frequencies your options might look like this:

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./bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB0 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB1 --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB0:clock=320 --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB1:clock=304
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 14, 2016, 01:55:12 AM
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Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: xxSUPERMANxx on January 14, 2016, 02:05:17 AM
Great work and instructions !! Thank you
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Sukarti on January 14, 2016, 01:56:26 PM
Congratulations on your first batch of sticks. Nice write up and best of luck!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 15, 2016, 08:29:17 PM
instructions are updated for linux install from source.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Searing on January 16, 2016, 12:02:56 PM
instructions are updated for linux install from source.

thanks ..not that it may do me any good in that i also have instr for linux on the 8gh geeko usb miners and am still stuck... :) but hey ....hope springs eternal :)

we appreciate your efforts

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on January 16, 2016, 04:30:29 PM
instructions are updated for linux install from source.
I followed this instruction without problems. Bfgminer running on a Raspberry Pi.
My powered USB hub is ready and waiting for the new sticks.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on January 22, 2016, 05:06:35 PM
I'm afraid my power USB hub (Dipo Electronic 19 port 20A USB) doesn't work very nice with the moonlanders.
Bfgminer keeps detecting new USB ports until it crashes. The hub works ok with gridseeds.

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[  476.532768] usb 1-1.2.3.4: new full-speed USB device number 31 using dwc_otg
[  476.657645] usb 1-1.2.3.4: New USB device found, idVendor=10c4, idProduct=ea60
[  476.657684] usb 1-1.2.3.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[  476.657703] usb 1-1.2.3.4: Product: FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Miner
[  476.657719] usb 1-1.2.3.4: Manufacturer: Silicon Labs
[  476.657734] usb 1-1.2.3.4: SerialNumber: FB1E0037
[  476.664801] cp210x 1-1.2.3.4:1.0: cp210x converter detected
[  476.665371] usb 1-1.2.3.4: cp210x converter now attached to ttyUSB11
[  479.445779] cp210x ttyUSB11: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32
[  479.445825] cp210x ttyUSB11: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32
[  479.600791] usb 1-1.2.3-port4: disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...
[  479.601006] usb 1-1.2.3.4: USB disconnect, device number 31
[  479.601754] cp210x ttyUSB11: cp210x converter now disconnected from ttyUSB11
[  479.601850] cp210x 1-1.2.3.4:1.0: device disconnected
[  479.862882] usb 1-1.2.3.4: new full-speed USB device number 32 using dwc_otg
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 22, 2016, 09:05:01 PM
Yes that means the sticks are drawing more power than the hub supports so it cuts power to the port and restarts it. I would start with a few and see how many it can handle (it could be that it can't handle any if each individual port is current limited).

Edit: looking at that hub seems like they are limited to 500ma per port, which is right at the boundary of the stock setting current draw on the  Moonlanders. Try modifying the frequency down to 104 MHz, which is the lowest they will go and that should draw just under 500ma of current.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: AmDD on January 25, 2016, 11:14:08 PM
No matter what I try I can only get 2 of these sticks to mine at one time. I thought it was the hub so I tried a different one, then I tried two hubs and even then only 2 stick will mine.

Win7 laptop using your drivers and miner.
5 sticks
10 port USB 2.0 hub - rosewill 4amp total (I know this wont run them all)
7 port DLink DUB-H7 - better hub, used to run 6 BEMiners plus fan (still cant run them all)

The only thing I changed was lowering the speed to 104, this did nothing to help me.
Ideas?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on January 26, 2016, 02:13:49 PM
I also tried different usb 2.0 hubs without luck. Usb2 is max 500 mA but the hubs may have some extra protection that kicks in.
Right now I am going to test a new usb 3 hub. That should work.

It was possible to run 2 sticks on a raspberry pi (without hub). This works fine at 104mhz and a 2amp power adaptor.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 26, 2016, 08:35:20 PM
No matter what I try I can only get 2 of these sticks to mine at one time. I thought it was the hub so I tried a different one, then I tried two hubs and even then only 2 stick will mine.

Win7 laptop using your drivers and miner.
5 sticks
10 port USB 2.0 hub - rosewill 4amp total (I know this wont run them all)
7 port DLink DUB-H7 - better hub, used to run 6 BEMiners plus fan (still cant run them all)

The only thing I changed was lowering the speed to 104, this did nothing to help me.
Ideas?

Both those hubs are limited to 500ma. One has 3a power adapter and other one is 4 amp. Thats just not enough current to run all of them at once. For your 5 sticks you'd need at least 5 amps for the lowest settings. So those hubs wont even run 3 sticks if you only have 3 plugged in @104 mhz?

Also keep in mind that when you try to start all sticks at once on a USB hub its going to tax whatever power supply is running it as all the sticks will instantly ask for 1amp of power, and if the power supply can't meet that the sticks will not start up properly or will get stuck in a power cycle loop.

Try starting one stick at a time with a different bfgminer instance, that might work on lower power hubs. You will need to edit the .bat file and put in \\.\COMx (where x is the com number for that stick) in place of the "all" start up bgminer then repeat it for the rest of the sticks.

I will see if I can code in a start up delay in the driver for you hub users which might help out with this. If you can please add -D 2>log.txt at the end of the .bat file and post the log.txt file for me so I can see exactly whats going on.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: AmDD on January 26, 2016, 09:19:23 PM
No matter what I try I can only get 2 of these sticks to mine at one time. I thought it was the hub so I tried a different one, then I tried two hubs and even then only 2 stick will mine.

Win7 laptop using your drivers and miner.
5 sticks
10 port USB 2.0 hub - rosewill 4amp total (I know this wont run them all)
7 port DLink DUB-H7 - better hub, used to run 6 BEMiners plus fan (still cant run them all)

The only thing I changed was lowering the speed to 104, this did nothing to help me.
Ideas?

Both those hubs are limited to 500ma. One has 3a power adapter and other one is 4 amp. Thats just not enough current to run all of them at once. For your 5 sticks you'd need at least 5 amps for the lowest settings. So those hubs wont even run 3 sticks if you only have 3 plugged in @104 mhz?

Also keep in mind that when you try to start all sticks at once on a USB hub its going to tax whatever power supply is running it as all the sticks will instantly ask for 1amp of power, and if the power supply can't meet that the sticks will not start up properly or will get stuck in a power cycle loop.

Try starting one stick at a time with a different bfgminer instance, that might work on lower power hubs. You will need to edit the .bat file and put in \\.\COMx (where x is the com number for that stick) in place of the "all" start up bgminer then repeat it for the rest of the sticks.

I will see if I can code in a start up delay in the driver for you hub users which might help out with this. If you can please add -D 2>log.txt at the end of the .bat file and post the log.txt file for me so I can see exactly whats going on.

Sure, I'll try that log file when I get home. I was under the impression that at the lowest setting each stick would only draw 500ma.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 27, 2016, 05:47:51 AM
If they are at 104mhz and .75v they should be under 500mA. The issue is the initial startup current which most of the crappy USB Hub power supplies can't handle. Your asking for nearly max output instantly for all 5 sticks and that just wont work. Thats why I say 1A per port just to be safe.

Here is my hub setup with 3 sticks using an Anker USB 3.0 hub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj-y4QvoWx4

All 3 sticks run almost full speed with no issues. That hub has 36 watt rating. The 3 sticks use about 20 watts but as soon as I try and add a fourth stick either half wont start or a few sticks stop hashing after a minute or two. These hubs are just overrated on how much clean power they can produce. I can run all 4 sticks fine if I lower frequency/voltage and keep power draw to under 30 watts.

Unfortunately its just a lot of trial and error with these hubs and tuning the sticks to what a particular hub can handle.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on January 28, 2016, 07:32:53 AM
Nice!
I have 7 units running on a 3.0 hub right now. With default voltage and at 120mhz they get very hot. You can barely touch the heatsink.
Is this ok or should they be extra cooled with a fan?

Another thing is rhat I cannot get various hub running on a raspberry pi. All those hubs fail in combination with the moonlanders. Right now I am running from my normal pc, but I dont want my pc running 24h.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 28, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
Nice!
I have 7 units running on a 3.0 hub right now. With default voltage and at 120mhz they get very hot. You can barely touch the heatsink.
Is this ok or should they be extra cooled with a fan?

Another thing is rhat I cannot get various hub running on a raspberry pi. All those hubs fail in combination with the moonlanders. Right now I am running from my normal pc, but I dont want my pc running 24h.

Yea if you can't touch the heatsink thats way too hot. I wouldn't recommend running multiple in a hub setup with no fan. At that frequency you would only need a light fan to keep them cool. Also make sure voltage is turned down to .7-.75v if your running that low of a frequency.

How are the hubs failing on the pi? I have not done much testing under a pi, but ill fire up my hub with a pi later and see if i can duplicate what your seeing.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: robo1955 on January 29, 2016, 11:01:20 AM
Nice!
I have 7 units running on a 3.0 hub right now. With default voltage and at 120mhz they get very hot. You can barely touch the heatsink.
Is this ok or should they be extra cooled with a fan?

Another thing is rhat I cannot get various hub running on a raspberry pi. All those hubs fail in combination with the moonlanders. Right now I am running from my normal pc, but I dont want my pc running 24h.

There's an oddity with the pi and some usb3 hubs in that they won't see some devices, notably usb 1.1 devices.  The 'trick' is to plug the usb3 hub into a usb2 hub which is then plugged into the Pi.
Have just tried it on a Pi 2 and it seems to have worked. (running ubuntu)

lsusb on the pi shows :-

[email protected]:~/bfgminer# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 026: ID 10c4:ea60 Cygnal Integrated Products, Inc. CP210x UART Bridge / myAVR mySmartUSB light
Bus 001 Device 025: ID 2109:3431 VIA Labs, Inc. Hub
Bus 001 Device 018: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMC9514 Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Don't know if it will fix you're problem but worth a try.

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on January 29, 2016, 02:03:09 PM
The 'trick' is to plug the usb3 hub into a usb2 hub which is then plugged into the Pi.
Have just tried it on a Pi 2 and it seems to have worked. (running ubuntu)
Thanks, I will give this a try!

Meanwhile, I got 5 running @ 5 Mh/s on one hub. Voltage is between 9.2 and 9.4 @ 352Mhz / 60watt total. It is the absolute maximum this hub and powersupply can deliver.

(http://i.imgur.com/4N0u4cM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/W1hu0xE.png)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 29, 2016, 05:33:56 PM
Nice! If your running them at 352mhz you need to have the fans blowing directly on the fins. Your not getting any airflow over the heatsink fins with the fan blowing on the side like that and you could very well fry them at that speed.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on January 31, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
SWEET! I just got my beauties in yesterday and had a chance to play today.

One problem I have is a weird one. I'm trying to use these extension cables: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVE04VU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVE04VU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00). Problem is that when the FutureBit is plugged into this extension cable, OSX doesn't detect it. I've plugged in various other devices to these extension cables and they work perfectly. Anything you guys can think of I could try? Should the miner work over an extension cable?

Some details: They work perfectly directly plugged into the Mac. I have tried the extension cable connected to the powered USB 3.0 Hub as well as the extension cables directly connected to the Mac, same result, it doesn't pick it up. When plugged into the extension cable I get a green light on the FutureBit and on my USB 3.0 hub, the LED light on the hub is lit to show that I have a device plugged into the hub.

Any ideas?

Thanks guys and really appreciate the hard work of jstefanop for putting this project together. The board and quality work is really outstanding!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on January 31, 2016, 10:51:27 PM
SWEET! I just got my beauties in yesterday and had a chance to play today.

One problem I have is a weird one. I'm trying to use these extension cables: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVE04VU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVE04VU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00). Problem is that when the FutureBit is plugged into this extension cable, OSX doesn't detect it. I've plugged in various other devices to these extension cables and they work perfectly. Anything you guys can think of I could try?

Some details: They work perfectly directly plugged into the Mac. I have tried the extension cable connected to the powered USB 3.0 Hub as well as the extension cables directly connected to the Mac, same result, it doesn't pick it up. When plugged into the extension cable I get a green light on the FutureBit and on my USB 3.0 hub, the LED light on the hub is lit to show that I have a device plugged into the hub.

Any ideas?

Thanks guys and really appreciate the hard work of jstefanop for putting this project together. The board and quality work is really outstanding!

Hmm I have a similar cable and works fine on my mac. When you plug it in to your mac with the cable go to "About this Mac", then click on system report, and go down to USB section and click on that. Do you see a listing for CP2103 USB to UART Bridge Controller?

Don't see why it would not work, its not an abnormally long cable so even sub par shielding on the USB data lines should not prevent it from working at those lengths.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on January 31, 2016, 11:46:12 PM
Embarrassing... I was being too careful with these things. Just needed to go in a little further. :) Wow... Anyways, they're working as expected. Awesome job man!

(http://filebeam.com/e8b126366305fd1513b8a01f622338f8.jpg)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 01, 2016, 06:50:35 AM
Embarrassing... I was being too careful with these things. Just needed to go in a little further. :) Wow... Anyways, they're working as expected. Awesome job man!

(http://filebeam.com/e8b126366305fd1513b8a01f622338f8.jpg)

Awesome...what hub are you running that you can get all 10 to run??? Even I havent found a hub that can run 10. Or do you have them split with multiple hubs?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 01, 2016, 10:11:44 PM
Embarrassing... I was being too careful with these things. Just needed to go in a little further. :) Wow... Anyways, they're working as expected. Awesome job man!

(http://filebeam.com/e8b126366305fd1513b8a01f622338f8.jpg)

Awesome...what hub are you running that you can get all 10 to run??? Even I havent found a hub that can run 10. Or do you have them split with multiple hubs?

I'm using this gem with USB extension cables:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NGQWL2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NGQWL2)

I'm designing a box to go around this with fan support. I hope to complete the design by the end of the week, I'll put up the design files on thingiverse for those who have a 3dprinter.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 01, 2016, 10:49:44 PM
Interesting...I have the 7 port version of that hub, but it can only run 3-4 with its 36W power supply. The 60W supply on your hub must be a much better quality.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 01, 2016, 11:28:35 PM
I'm afraid my power USB hub (Dipo Electronic 19 port 20A USB) doesn't work very nice with the moonlanders.
Bfgminer keeps detecting new USB ports until it crashes. The hub works ok with gridseeds.

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[  476.532768] usb 1-1.2.3.4: new full-speed USB device number 31 using dwc_otg
[  476.657645] usb 1-1.2.3.4: New USB device found, idVendor=10c4, idProduct=ea60
[  476.657684] usb 1-1.2.3.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[  476.657703] usb 1-1.2.3.4: Product: FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Miner
[  476.657719] usb 1-1.2.3.4: Manufacturer: Silicon Labs
[  476.657734] usb 1-1.2.3.4: SerialNumber: FB1E0037
[  476.664801] cp210x 1-1.2.3.4:1.0: cp210x converter detected
[  476.665371] usb 1-1.2.3.4: cp210x converter now attached to ttyUSB11
[  479.445779] cp210x ttyUSB11: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32
[  479.445825] cp210x ttyUSB11: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32
[  479.600791] usb 1-1.2.3-port4: disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...
[  479.601006] usb 1-1.2.3.4: USB disconnect, device number 31
[  479.601754] cp210x ttyUSB11: cp210x converter now disconnected from ttyUSB11
[  479.601850] cp210x 1-1.2.3.4:1.0: device disconnected
[  479.862882] usb 1-1.2.3.4: new full-speed USB device number 32 using dwc_otg

I'm having a similar problem - but the hub isn't the problem - almost certain. I've got one of those eyeboot hubs that can supply oodles of power... but can't even get one stick directly plugged into the PC's USB port to hash. It just creates USB devices over and over again. I did try to turn down the freq to 104 - didn't help.

Yes, I built the bfgminer instance from scratch as per jstephanop's instructions. 

Any thoughts folks?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 02, 2016, 12:22:50 AM
If its creating USB instances over and over it means the USB port is cutting power due to the stick drawing more power than the port can handle. So it keeps power cycling. All the sticks are tested and working before I ship them out so its definitely not the sticks.

What kind of PC are you using when you directly plug them in the port? Im assuming its some sort of linux box if you compiled the driver. Did you try plugging them in in windows/mac computer and using the precompiled drivers?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 02, 2016, 05:43:46 PM
I'm having a similar problem - but the hub isn't the problem - almost certain. I've got one of those eyeboot hubs that can supply oodles of power... but can't even get one stick directly plugged into the PC's USB port to hash. It just creates USB devices over and over again. I did try to turn down the freq to 104 - didn't help.

The hub I used first (the DIPO) had a limit of 500mA as jstefanop told me. This hub also didn't work on Windows so that was explainable.

However, the weird thing is I tried several different hubs on a Raspberry Pi, USB 2.0 and 3.0, but they all have the same problem. The moonlanders are detected fine, but at the moment the mining starts, the hub gets a reset. Those hubs work fine on Windows.
So I was thinking maybe there is something weird with the linux version of bfgminer, or is it the Raspberry Pi?
What system did you use?

On the Raspberry Pi, I also tried the suggestion from robo1955: Putting the USB 3.0 hub behind a USB 2.0 hub, but it had the same result.
Other things I tried where forcing the Pi to use USB 1.1 standards and forcing the USB port to 1.1A... all without results.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 02, 2016, 06:14:29 PM
I'm having a similar problem - but the hub isn't the problem - almost certain. I've got one of those eyeboot hubs that can supply oodles of power... but can't even get one stick directly plugged into the PC's USB port to hash. It just creates USB devices over and over again. I did try to turn down the freq to 104 - didn't help.

The hub I used first (the DIPO) had a limit of 500mA as jstefanop told me. This hub also didn't work on Windows so that was explainable.

However, the weird thing is I tried several different hubs on a Raspberry Pi, USB 2.0 and 3.0, but they all have the same problem. The moonlanders are detected fine, but at the moment the mining starts, the hub gets a reset. Those hubs work fine on Windows.
So I was thinking maybe there is something weird with the linux version of bfgminer, or is it the Raspberry Pi?
What system did you use?

On the Raspberry Pi, I also tried the suggestion from robo1955: Putting the USB 3.0 hub behind a USB 2.0 hub, but it had the same result.
Other things I tried where forcing the Pi to use USB 1.1 standards and forcing the USB port to 1.1A... all without results.

Is this going on just on the Pi/linux? The only thing I can think of is there are EMI issues going on thats causing the reset (if its not power related). If the hubs don't have proper EMI protection, the high current output produced by these miners could be causing it. Unfortunately I can almost guarantee those huge 50 port hubs don't follow proper USB standards and don't have EMI circuitry on every port. Not sure why one hub would work on windows and not on linux though...ill double check the linux drivers after I finish shipping the last units in this batch today.

Quick way to test this would be to hook up the miner to the hub with a USB extension cable that has a ferrite bead on it. Lots of USB cables have them by default for these issues, but if you have lots of power cords some of them have the snap on type that you can remove and put on the USB cable. Here is an example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/35A-Detachable-Noise-EMI-RFI-Filter-Snap-Magnet-Ring-Ferrite-Core-for-AV-Cable-/141874532508?hash=item210861909c:g:bFcAAOSwa-dWk3vk (http://www.ebay.com/itm/35A-Detachable-Noise-EMI-RFI-Filter-Snap-Magnet-Ring-Ferrite-Core-for-AV-Cable-/141874532508?hash=item210861909c:g:bFcAAOSwa-dWk3vk)

I wish I had one of those hubs so I could debug this myself. You guys should also check out the compaq threads on bitcointalk...there are pages upon pages of discussions just on these issues with hubs.   
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: robo1955 on February 03, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
I'm having a similar problem - but the hub isn't the problem - almost certain. I've got one of those eyeboot hubs that can supply oodles of power... but can't even get one stick directly plugged into the PC's USB port to hash. It just creates USB devices over and over again. I did try to turn down the freq to 104 - didn't help.

The hub I used first (the DIPO) had a limit of 500mA as jstefanop told me. This hub also didn't work on Windows so that was explainable.

However, the weird thing is I tried several different hubs on a Raspberry Pi, USB 2.0 and 3.0, but they all have the same problem. The moonlanders are detected fine, but at the moment the mining starts, the hub gets a reset. Those hubs work fine on Windows.
So I was thinking maybe there is something weird with the linux version of bfgminer, or is it the Raspberry Pi?
What system did you use?

On the Raspberry Pi, I also tried the suggestion from robo1955: Putting the USB 3.0 hub behind a USB 2.0 hub, but it had the same result.
Other things I tried where forcing the Pi to use USB 1.1 standards and forcing the USB port to 1.1A... all without results.

Only have 2 to play with  so limited in testing. Have had these running attached directly to the usb port of Raspberry pi original and model 2 without issue using the settings from the setup page.

Running a minera build with jstefanop's bfgminer compiled on top but not under minera control on the original pi.
On the pi 2 I run Ubuntu mate again with bfgminer compiled locally.

I do have most success on an orange pi pc again running ubuntu mate with locally compiled bfgminer but only through a cheap unpowered hub that I plug one port into a 2.1 amp usb charger to power it.... (Have also removed the +ve lead from the usb cable going to the pi)

The above modded hub does work on the raspberry's but with a few resets. 

I do run bfgminer as root.......  :o
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 03, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
So I've ran into an issue with 1 of the 10 that I received. One of them is overheating something fierce. If I plug in any of the 9 without loading a job, i.e. it's running idle, they pull anywhere from 0.08-0.12amps and .45 when active.

9 of the 10 usually pull only .08 idle:
(http://filebeam.com/702988f3b4902568436d9d552ca632f8.jpeg)

This one out of the batch is pulling over .35-.45amp sitting idle and over .70amps when active/job loaded. I've tried adjusting the voltage, but it will only drop to .30-.35 idle and .65 when active. When active running at anything less than .70amp will result in hardware errors over 60%.

The one with the possible issue sitting idle:
(http://filebeam.com/809403f38e8f9e0839856fc642b6f74c.jpeg)

What do you suggest I may be doing wrong here?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 03, 2016, 08:56:14 PM
Hmm could be a bad ASIC or solder job. Im assuming this is at the default 144mhz? How many active cores is that stick reporting? Add -D 2>log.txt at the end of the command line and check the file...there should be a line that says

 [2016-02-02 17:10:08] futurebit: Identified 54 cores on /dev/cu.SLAB_USBtoUART

You could try setting just that stick's frequency a bit lower and pulling down voltage a bit. It should be fine as long as its not overheating though.

BTW what meter are you using...looks neat.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 04, 2016, 02:09:27 AM
I'm thinking solder issue, the ASIC cores are reporting ok...

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[2016-02-03 20:01:21] futurebit: Core clock set to 144 mhz
 [2016-02-03 20:01:22] futurebit: Identified 54 cores on /dev/cu.SLAB_USBtoUART

I've looked over the board but don't see any apparent bridged joints. The issue is I'll have to run this one completely separate as it pulls to much for my USB hub to support the other sticks.

BTW, this is the meter I'm using. It logs the amount of power in mAh sent through the meter and is really meant as a tool to see how much your travel batteries or your devices is really holding. It's a neat meter I've used for a number of things, including balancing out power on a USB hub. :)

http://www.amazon.com/PowerJive-Voltage-Multimeter-chargers-capacity/dp/B013FANC9W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454551510&sr=8-1&keywords=powerjive


Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 04, 2016, 05:07:46 PM
Has minera been updated with these drivers ? Or do I need to do something else to get them working with my current Minera set up?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: surfguy72 on February 04, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
Just for those who are tinkering's sake...

Using the below Hub, I was able to get 4 miners running at around a total of 4.1 MH.  However, the power supply to this started getting rather warm and needed ventilation.  No quite recommended.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

I'm exchanging this to a 60w hub so I can run all 5, and see what I can push.

Anyone got pools to recommend with these?  A few don't seem to recognize my difficulty settings and its making them act strange.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 04, 2016, 07:37:36 PM
Has minera been updated with these drivers ? Or do I need to do something else to get them working with my current Minera set up?

No I need to push the driver code to the main branch for minera to work out of the box...I want to fix any kinks in the driver code you guys discover while playing with them first, then ill ping luke and have him merge it to the main branch. All you need to do is just download either the binaries I have provided or compile it from my branch and just replace the default bfgminer folder (you might need to update some links/put in the custom command lines, but it should work). I think some guys around here have instructions on how to do it with a custom branch.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 04, 2016, 07:41:22 PM
Just for those who are tinkering's sake...

Using the below Hub, I was able to get 4 miners running at around a total of 4.1 MH.  However, the power supply to this started getting rather warm and needed ventilation.  No quite recommended.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ZGKWQI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

I'm exchanging this to a 60w hub so I can run all 5, and see what I can push.

Anyone got pools to recommend with these?  A few don't seem to recognize my difficulty settings and its making them act strange.

Nice! Make sure you have plenty of airflow over them at those speeds. Any pool should work as long as you can set diff to below ~500, anything over that the sticks will take forever to find a share and you will think that they are not working. Litecoinpool works awesome because you can set the diff directly in the password, other pools you will just have to ask them what their "GPU" port is (since these hash at the same speed as GPUs).
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 05, 2016, 02:05:13 AM
So I had some time to investigate the hub issues with the pi / linux. The ANKER 7 port USB 3 hub I'm using has the VIA chipset, which apparently is not fully USB complaint and has some major firmware issues, and is the reason why it does not work with the pi (I'm assuming the hubs you guys are having issues with probably have the same chipset).

Main issue cause these is outline below (one of the pi developers) :

Quote
Quoting myself:
"USB1.1 devices plugged into a 3.0 hub on the Pi are not something a gpu firmware or driver change will fix."

Since then, I've confirmed that it is indeed a bug with the VIA chipset (by substituting a different USB3.0 hub chip).

The workaround is to purchase a USB3.0 hub that integrates silicon from a different chip vendor, or get VIA to admit their spec noncompliance (no prizes for guessing which will be easier). SMSC/Microchip based USB3.0 hub IP works with the OTG port on the Pi, I have yet to see any other vendor USB3.0 hub silicon in interoperability tests with the Pi.

The full read of the discussion is here, its quite interesting nerdy stuff https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/64

There is a proposed fix by adding the line
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dwc_otg.speed=1 to /boot/cmdline.txt file of the pi's SD card. I have tried this and it indeed does recognize the sticks and starts hashing, but the USB bus quickly crashes afterwards and reboots the pi.

This fix *might" work for some hubs / other linux systems but I wouldn't hold my breath. This just shows you how cheap these hub manufactures are and they cut lots of corners. Of course these issues don't show up until they are stressed out by devices like high powered USB miners.

Its interesting though that this particular hub works fine with 5+ miners under Mac or Windows, so seems to be an issue isolated with the VIA chipset and Linux USB drivers. 
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 05, 2016, 05:27:46 PM
That is exactly the behavior I got with three different hubs.
Using dwc_otg.speed=1 it starts mining but will reset the usb hub every time. Without this setting it won't detect the moonlander at all.

The weird thing is that if I plugin a good old gridseed on the same hub with another version of bfgminer, it starts mining without a single problem.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 05, 2016, 08:30:50 PM
That is exactly the behavior I got with three different hubs.
Using dwc_otg.speed=1 it starts mining but will reset the usb hub every time. Without this setting it won't detect the moonlander at all.

The weird thing is that if I plugin a good old gridseed on the same hub with another version of bfgminer, it starts mining without a single problem.

Do any off your hubs work with just one stick? If it does you might try starting up with one stick, then manually adding each stick one by one afterwards. All you have to do is plug in the miner then go to device management (press M) and add device (press +) You then just input the com port of the stick you just plugged in prefixed by MLD: (so MLD:/dev/USB123 etc).

Could be that the hub is crashing with all the sticks starting at once, and that could fix it?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 06, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
Nope, I am testing with one stick at a time with default voltage and 104 Mhz freq.
Error I am getting now:
cp210x ttyUSB0: usb_serial_generic_write_bulk_callback - nonzero urb status: -71

It is running fine on windows, so I think I will use this. The pi is very energy friendly on the other hand.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 07, 2016, 09:18:35 PM
So I think I finally found the "perfect hub." Thanks to whoever mentioned this one on one of the other threads, but it works awesome on all 3 systems including a RPi!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013OK10YM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This thing is built like a tank...I tired to break it by running 4 sticks at 368mhz (don't try this unless you have a strong fan)...and they hummed along no problem (this was on a RPi too!)

Pretty sure it can easily handle all 7 ports with my sticks, unfortunately didn't have enough extension cables to try it.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1551/24513051589_77c1a89226_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Dm8Ndv)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1528/24787270411_1e3b3ac245_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DLneVe)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 08, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
So I think I finally found the "perfect hub." Thanks to whoever mentioned this one on one of the other threads, but it works awesome on all 3 systems including a RPi!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013OK10YM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This thing is built like a tank...I tired to break it by running 4 sticks at 368mhz (don't try this unless you have a strong fan)...and they hummed along no problem (this was on a RPi too!)

Pretty sure it can easily handle all 7 ports with my sticks, unfortunately didn't have enough extension cables to try it.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1551/24513051589_77c1a89226_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Dm8Ndv)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1528/24787270411_1e3b3ac245_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DLneVe)

Thanks for posting this - I've been working on getting my sticks mining for over a week now (not 24/7 obviously) - using various hubs and what-not, and I'm hopeful that these hubs are the magic bullet I've been looking for. I'm able to get one stick mining directly connected to a Pi2 using Wheezy and the compiled source provided... but connecting any hub and trying to get even one running has been a nightmare. The two hubs I ordered should arrive tomorrow and I'll post an update shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 08, 2016, 03:59:15 PM
I feel there is a problem with the linux drivers because the miners work perfectly when I have the miners connected to my Mac. Once I move the miners over to my linux box(not a Pi, Intel NUC), I can't get more than one Moonlander to function, when I plug in 1 by 1, eventually they start dying off, this doesn't happen on the Mac, I've ran continuously for 48+ hours with 6 connected at 800kH/s on the Mac. I'm using the Anker 10-port http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port (http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 08, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
I feel there is a problem with the linux drivers because the miners work perfectly when I have the miners connected to my Mac. Once I move the miners over to my linux box(not a Pi, Intel NUC), I can't get more than one Moonlander to function, when I plug in 1 by 1, eventually they start dying off, this doesn't happen on the Mac, I've ran continuously for 48+ hours with 6 connected at 800kH/s on the Mac. I'm using the Anker 10-port http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port (http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port)

Yea I have the same behavior with my anker hub. Works fine under mac/win, but linux is having some issues. I think its a combination of non USB compliant hub hardware and older VCP drivers that come pre-installed with linux kernels. The fact that the superbag hub works fine out of the box with the RPi make me believe its more hub hardware issues though.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 08, 2016, 09:34:13 PM
I feel there is a problem with the linux drivers because the miners work perfectly when I have the miners connected to my Mac. Once I move the miners over to my linux box(not a Pi, Intel NUC), I can't get more than one Moonlander to function, when I plug in 1 by 1, eventually they start dying off, this doesn't happen on the Mac, I've ran continuously for 48+ hours with 6 connected at 800kH/s on the Mac. I'm using the Anker 10-port http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port (http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port)

Yea I have the same behavior with my anker hub. Works fine under mac/win, but linux is having some issues. I think its a combination of non USB compliant hub hardware and older VCP drivers that come pre-installed with linux kernels. The fact that the superbag hub works fine out of the box with the RPi make me believe its more hub hardware issues though.

I see the same behavior on Mac as I do on Linux with the same hubs. Don't think it's a platform issue. Fingers crossed the hubs are the magic bullet.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 09, 2016, 07:59:56 PM
I feel there is a problem with the linux drivers because the miners work perfectly when I have the miners connected to my Mac. Once I move the miners over to my linux box(not a Pi, Intel NUC), I can't get more than one Moonlander to function, when I plug in 1 by 1, eventually they start dying off, this doesn't happen on the Mac, I've ran continuously for 48+ hours with 6 connected at 800kH/s on the Mac. I'm using the Anker 10-port http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port (http://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Anker-SuperSpeed-Including-Charging/dp/B005NGQWL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454946966&sr=8-4&keywords=anker+10-port)

Yea I have the same behavior with my anker hub. Works fine under mac/win, but linux is having some issues. I think its a combination of non USB compliant hub hardware and older VCP drivers that come pre-installed with linux kernels. The fact that the superbag hub works fine out of the box with the RPi make me believe its more hub hardware issues though.

I see the same behavior on Mac as I do on Linux with the same hubs. Don't think it's a platform issue. Fingers crossed the hubs are the magic bullet.

BINGO! All 8 are humming along nicely on my RPi 2 setup. Now to ness around with the clock speeds! Nice call jstephanop...
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 09, 2016, 10:16:41 PM
I can also confirm that after switching to a new hub: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013OK10YM (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013OK10YM), this fixed the problem for me with Linux. The guys are running perfectly. Supposedly this hub supports up to 2amps per port, so I'll be ramping up these guys a little further.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 09, 2016, 10:21:32 PM
Is there a way to easily identify which Stick is what? I've tried to "disable" the stick in bfgminer but the yellow light and red lights still blink as if they still receive/sending shares.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 09, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
Awesome! Just make sure you guys have strong fans blowing on them if your going to run them near 1MH. Heatsink temp of 50c translates to about 80c chip temp...i would not go over that.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 09, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Is there a way to easily identify which Stick is what? I've tried to "disable" the stick in bfgminer but the yellow light and red lights still blink as if they still receive/sending shares.

If you press M for device management you can scroll through the sticks and it will display their serial numbers. You can plug in one stick at a time and write its serial number on the side of it or something so you can easily figure out which stick is which inside bfgminer.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: tentious on February 09, 2016, 10:31:35 PM
Is there a way to easily identify which Stick is what? I've tried to "disable" the stick in bfgminer but the yellow light and red lights still blink as if they still receive/sending shares.

If you press M for device management you can scroll through the sticks and it will display their serial numbers. You can plug in one stick at a time and write its serial number on the side of it or something so you can easily figure out which stick is which inside bfgminer.

Perfect! Thanks!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: xxSUPERMANxx on February 10, 2016, 12:10:20 AM
Up and running and now the tuning begins !!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 11, 2016, 11:19:06 PM
Hey guys -

If anyone is done playing around with their sticks and is looking to offload a few, please PM me. Mine have been running great in the new hubs and I'd like to add 8 more.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 11, 2016, 11:30:08 PM
BTW - has anyone mokeyed around with Minera to see if you can get this running with the MoonLanders? I might try my luck tonight. I've go them running with no issues on my headless Pi, but I like graphs and pretty stats... If you have already got this running, why not upload an image so I don't reproduce your work.

If no one has done this already and I manage to get it going tonight, I'll upload the image.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Twiki on February 12, 2016, 02:10:28 AM
BTW - has anyone mokeyed around with Minera to see if you can get this running with the MoonLanders? I might try my luck tonight. I've go them running with no issues on my headless Pi, but I like graphs and pretty stats... If you have already got this running, why not upload an image so I don't reproduce your work.

If no one has done this already and I manage to get it going tonight, I'll upload the image.

that would be cool, i cant seem to get it to work with minera either.

thank you.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 12, 2016, 01:58:02 PM
I worked a few hours on it last night, but no dice yet. I get the custom miner recognized, but the local devices aren't showing up for some reason. I'll spend some more time on it today.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: robo1955 on February 12, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Minera image with moonlander and gridseed support available from :-

http://unix.mm5aes.net/?p=minera-build-with-fururebit-moonlander-support

Image is just finishing it's upload. torrent should start ok.

EDIT - WARNING - I've left the speed at 312 in the settings - best to remove the miners before you boot and change it first if you're not all fanned up....
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 12, 2016, 08:39:27 PM
Minera image with moonlander and gridseed support available from :-

http://unix.mm5aes.net/?p=minera-build-with-fururebit-moonlander-support

Image is just finishing it's upload. torrent should start ok.

Interested to see what I was doing wrong. I could get the MLD bfgminer running, but it wouldn't start through the WebUI at all - and didn't show stats when it was running. Maybe my mining options? IDK

EDIT dl'ing now - thanks for uploading it.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 12, 2016, 10:48:35 PM
Minera image with moonlander and gridseed support available from :-

http://unix.mm5aes.net/?p=minera-build-with-fururebit-moonlander-support

Image is just finishing it's upload. torrent should start ok.

DUDE. I get that you want some hash thrown your way, but clocking the sticks to 312 on boot is a poor way to do it. What if people didn't have fans on their sticks?

Anyway, I see what you did - instead of using the custom miner section, you just replaced the bfgminer binary and use the standard settings. Whatever works I suppose. Thanks
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: robo1955 on February 12, 2016, 11:10:34 PM
Minera image with moonlander and gridseed support available from :-

http://unix.mm5aes.net/?p=minera-build-with-fururebit-moonlander-support

Image is just finishing it's upload. torrent should start ok.

DUDE. I get that you want some hash thrown your way, but clocking the sticks to 312 on boot is a poor way to do it. What if people didn't have fans on their sticks?

Anyway, I see what you did - instead of using the custom miner section, you just replaced the bfgminer binary and use the standard settings. Whatever works I suppose. Thanks

You're right, should have dialed it back before I packaged it, hadn't given a thought to ending up with free shares...  8)
I'll put a warning in the original post.....
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 13, 2016, 12:15:27 AM
312mhz is not even a valid frequency...either 304, or 320 will work. That will just default my driver to 104mhz. But yea if you guys are making custom front ends for these keep the stock 144mhz frequency. I don't want people to melt their sticks from third party stuff :p
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 13, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
312mhz is not even a valid frequency...either 304, or 320 will work. That will just default my driver to 104mhz.
Interesting, I'm currently running @ 312. I thought this was fine because it is a multiple of 8, but should be a multiple of 16 (between 200 and 400 mhz) which it isn't.

However @312 works! It doesn't default to 104. Running at 0.90Mh/s
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: robo1955 on February 13, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
312mhz is not even a valid frequency...either 304, or 320 will work. That will just default my driver to 104mhz.
Interesting, I'm currently running @ 312. I thought this was fine because it is a multiple of 8, but should be a multiple of 16 (between 200 and 400 mhz) which it isn't.

However @312 works! It doesn't default to 104. Running at 0.90Mh/s

We've obviously hit on the same happy accident. Seemed to be the sweet spot on my setup. 900k's without error.

I've redone the image with the freq. set at 144 and removed my pool data to ease r00tdude's sensibilities.

New torrent here :-http://unix.mm5aes.net/moonminera.144.rar.torrent (http://unix.mm5aes.net/moonminera.144.rar.torrent)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 13, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
312mhz is not even a valid frequency...either 304, or 320 will work. That will just default my driver to 104mhz.
Interesting, I'm currently running @ 312. I thought this was fine because it is a multiple of 8, but should be a multiple of 16 (between 200 and 400 mhz) which it isn't.

However @312 works! It doesn't default to 104. Running at 0.90Mh/s

oh lol..well I guess I set the highend to mutiples of 8 as well when I updated the driver to support 100-200mhz. Forgot about that :D
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: rgm108 on February 14, 2016, 07:12:03 AM
Hi All

I'm happy to report that I received my 3 MoonLander's yesterday.
I followed the Linux instructions and was up and running within a few minutes running at the default 144Mhz.

I'm running these directly plugged into the motherboard ports but will get a hub tomorrow so that I can get a fan blowing on them before starting to tweak.

Cheers for now,
~rgm
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: deeneendo on February 14, 2016, 06:07:12 PM
so, about to get tweaking on mine, I was wondering:

what type and size of screwdriver is everyone using to turn the poti?

On first sight, I can't tell if it is T5 or something else, I'd hate to mess them up by using the wrong screwdriver as my fine mechanic skills are quite limited.


Also, if someone could explain to me which command parameters I should use to set individual frequencies on these miners?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 15, 2016, 01:46:57 AM
On the voltage check should i be checking ACV or DCV? Also what is the safe temp zone for these?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 15, 2016, 08:33:25 AM
On the voltage check should i be checking ACV or DCV? Also what is the safe temp zone for these?

Its DC..if your measuring temp directly over ASIC it should not be over 80C, heatsink temp should not go over 50C.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Tech2K on February 15, 2016, 06:30:20 PM
Everyone still having good luck with the superbpag usb3 hubs?  I tried one with no luck. It will not even recognize a regular usb stick plugged in my laptop. Maybe I just got a bad one.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: deeneendo on February 15, 2016, 08:38:13 PM
Pardon me for putting out the question again, I really can't figure out how to select individual sticks in order to have different sticks mine to different pools, or set their frequencies to different levels.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Also, is a T5 screwdriver what is needed to tune the voltage without risk of damaging the poti?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 15, 2016, 08:51:41 PM
Pardon me for putting out the question again, I really can't figure out how to select individual sticks in order to have different sticks mine to different pools, or set their frequencies to different levels.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Also, is a T5 screwdriver what is needed to tune the voltage without risk of damaging the poti?

Thanks in advance.
I just used a small flathead, it worked fine for both of mine.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 15, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
Pardon me for putting out the question again, I really can't figure out how to select individual sticks in order to have different sticks mine to different pools, or set their frequencies to different levels.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Also, is a T5 screwdriver what is needed to tune the voltage without risk of damaging the poti?

Thanks in advance.

Dosent matter what you turn it with (i sometimes just use my finger nail :P ) the important thing is not to turn it past its maximum or minimum setting (the whole range is within 180 degrees), otherwise you risk breaking the pot. There is no built in "stop" so if you keep turning it will eventually break.

You can't mine different sticks with different pools with a single bfgminer instance. What you need to do is specify which stick you want run per instance (you can easily do this by just making two .bat or script start-up files), and just run a separate instance per pool.

You specify which stick you need to figure out the COM ports the sticks are connected too then simply replace -S MLD:all with the actual com ports.

For example in linux it would look something like this:

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./bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB0 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB1 --set MLD:clock=144

for windows your .bat file will look like this:

Code: [Select]
bfgminer.exe --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:\\.\COM0 S MLD:\\.\COM1  --set MLD:clock=144
and you just keep simply adding the -S MLD:\\.\COMx argument for each miner you want to add.


If you want to specify frequencies for each individual miners you can point which frequency gets set to which miner by changing the global --set MLD:clock=144
to --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB0:clock=320  (note I haven't really tested if you can keep the global option and lets say just set one stick to a different frequency...if you do it this way you might have to specify frequencies for each miner port individually even if some of them are the same, since the global option might override individual frequencies).

So if you have two sticks and want two different frequencies your options might look like this:

Code: [Select]
./bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB0 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB1 --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB0:clock=320 --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB1:clock=304
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: deeneendo on February 16, 2016, 10:32:01 AM
Great answers guys. My eye sight is a bit lacking and I was afraid to damage something, so I preferred double checking about the screwdriver to use.

thanks for the explanation jstefanop, I am using windows (don't ask, long story) to run my miners and I have the problem of changing com ports allocations at every reboot. Is there a way to send commands to individual sticks (or create several instances of bfminer with different pools of sticks) based on their serial numbers for instance, so as to be independent from the com port numbers that Windows is using?

Thanks in advance,

Claude
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 16, 2016, 11:12:51 PM
Great answers guys. My eye sight is a bit lacking and I was afraid to damage something, so I preferred double checking about the screwdriver to use.

thanks for the explanation jstefanop, I am using windows (don't ask, long story) to run my miners and I have the problem of changing com ports allocations at every reboot. Is there a way to send commands to individual sticks (or create several instances of bfminer with different pools of sticks) based on their serial numbers for instance, so as to be independent from the com port numbers that Windows is using?

Thanks in advance,

Claude

Unfortunately you can't associate serial numbers with bfgminer currently, it works strictly off COM port numbers. Im pretty sure what you CAN do is force windows to load a com port to a particular device serial number though. I came across some scripts that do it, and I know its definitely possible under linux as well. You could try changing the COM port under settings in device manager. I think this sometimes forces the COM port number to stay the same.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 17, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Pardon me for putting out the question again, I really can't figure out how to select individual sticks in order to have different sticks mine to different pools, or set their frequencies to different levels.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Also, is a T5 screwdriver what is needed to tune the voltage without risk of damaging the poti?

Thanks in advance.

Dosent matter what you turn it with (i sometimes just use my finger nail :P ) the important thing is not to turn it past its maximum or minimum setting (the whole range is within 180 degrees), otherwise you risk breaking the pot. There is no built in "stop" so if you keep turning it will eventually break.

You can't mine different sticks with different pools with a single bfgminer instance. What you need to do is specify which stick you want run per instance (you can easily do this by just making two .bat or script start-up files), and just run a separate instance per pool.

You specify which stick you need to figure out the COM ports the sticks are connected too then simply replace -S MLD:all with the actual com ports.

For example in linux it would look something like this:

Code: [Select]
./bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB0 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB1 --set MLD:clock=144

for windows your .bat file will look like this:

Code: [Select]
bfgminer.exe --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:\\.\COM0 S MLD:\\.\COM1  --set MLD:clock=144
and you just keep simply adding the -S MLD:\\.\COMx argument for each miner you want to add.


If you want to specify frequencies for each individual miners you can point which frequency gets set to which miner by changing the global --set MLD:clock=144
to --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB0:clock=320  (note I haven't really tested if you can keep the global option and lets say just set one stick to a different frequency...if you do it this way you might have to specify frequencies for each miner port individually even if some of them are the same, since the global option might override individual frequencies).

So if you have two sticks and want two different frequencies your options might look like this:

Code: [Select]
./bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u jstefanop.1 -p 1,d=16 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB0 -S MLD:/dev/ttyUSB1 --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB0:clock=320 --set [email protected]/dev/ttyUSB1:clock=304

This is great info - can you please update the OP with it so we know where to find it?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 17, 2016, 04:45:22 PM
For those of you doing your tuning - it'd be helpful to all of us to post your findings...

Mine -

CoreV = ~.845vDC
Freq = 288
Results = ~.810MH

Sicks are cool and stable.

Of course the CoreV is approximate because of the difficulty getting the pot turned to get an exact voltage - some are a few mv higher but that is a minimum. If anyone has successfully gone with a higher coreV and higher freq, I'd be interested to try something else. FWIW - HW errors are 1.8% over 24 hours with this setup. Yes, using the Superbpac hubs.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 17, 2016, 05:05:52 PM
snip

This is great info - can you please update the OP with it so we know where to find it?

Ive updated beginning of thread with FAQ section, and I'm posting answer there as they come up in the thread. BTW I have ordered parts for another 200 units and should have those ready to ship by end of the month.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Twiki on February 17, 2016, 05:46:13 PM
Minera image with moonlander and gridseed support available from :-

http://unix.mm5aes.net/?p=minera-build-with-fururebit-moonlander-support

Image is just finishing it's upload. torrent should start ok.

DUDE. I get that you want some hash thrown your way, but clocking the sticks to 312 on boot is a poor way to do it. What if people didn't have fans on their sticks?

Anyway, I see what you did - instead of using the custom miner section, you just replaced the bfgminer binary and use the standard settings. Whatever works I suppose. Thanks

You're right, should have dialed it back before I packaged it, hadn't given a thought to ending up with free shares...  8)
I'll put a warning in the original post.....

what were the settings in that img? i might have overwritten something in the "Manual options" section.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 17, 2016, 10:31:31 PM
Minera image with moonlander and gridseed support available from :-

http://unix.mm5aes.net/?p=minera-build-with-fururebit-moonlander-support

Image is just finishing it's upload. torrent should start ok.

DUDE. I get that you want some hash thrown your way, but clocking the sticks to 312 on boot is a poor way to do it. What if people didn't have fans on their sticks?

Anyway, I see what you did - instead of using the custom miner section, you just replaced the bfgminer binary and use the standard settings. Whatever works I suppose. Thanks

You're right, should have dialed it back before I packaged it, hadn't given a thought to ending up with free shares...  8)
I'll put a warning in the original post.....

what were the settings in that img? i might have overwritten something in the "Manual options" section.

Code: [Select]
--scrypt -S MLD:all --set MLD:clock=288
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 18, 2016, 02:06:24 AM
312mhz is not even a valid frequency...either 304, or 320 will work. That will just default my driver to 104mhz.
Interesting, I'm currently running @ 312. I thought this was fine because it is a multiple of 8, but should be a multiple of 16 (between 200 and 400 mhz) which it isn't.

However @312 works! It doesn't default to 104. Running at 0.90Mh/s

We've obviously hit on the same happy accident. Seemed to be the sweet spot on my setup. 900k's without error.

I've redone the image with the freq. set at 144 and removed my pool data to ease r00tdude's sensibilities.

New torrent here :-http://unix.mm5aes.net/moonminera.144.rar.torrent (http://unix.mm5aes.net/moonminera.144.rar.torrent)
I can't keep my sticks alive on this, no clue why. Using a good hub, they run for a bit (don't overheat) and then turn off like 8 minutes in.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 18, 2016, 02:49:25 PM
did anyone plug it in and had instantly some smoke comming out?

happened to me when i firstz pluged it in, pluged it out right away, now when i plug it in again its normal and green light showing? did it break?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Twiki on February 18, 2016, 03:00:57 PM
did anyone plug it in and had instantly some smoke comming out?

happened to me when i firstz pluged it in, pluged it out right away, now when i plug it in again its normal and green light showing? did it break?

Are you sure that wasn't pot smoke bro?

lol :) wassssup!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 18, 2016, 03:07:16 PM
did anyone plug it in and had instantly some smoke comming out?

happened to me when i firstz pluged it in, pluged it out right away, now when i plug it in again its normal and green light showing? did it break?

Are you sure that wasn't pot smoke bro?

lol :) wassssup!

hehe yeap :)

nmnm,just trying to get this work,,
getting this now :(
http://puu.sh/ncvAn/e1d5d4dd81.png
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: r00tdude on February 18, 2016, 05:04:33 PM
did anyone plug it in and had instantly some smoke comming out?

happened to me when i firstz pluged it in, pluged it out right away, now when i plug it in again its normal and green light showing? did it break?

Are you sure that wasn't pot smoke bro?

lol :) wassssup!

hehe yeap :)

nmnm,just trying to get this work,,
getting this now :(
http://puu.sh/ncvAn/e1d5d4dd81.png

Either unplug and re-plug the stick, or hit M and + and type 'all' and hit Enter.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 18, 2016, 05:22:08 PM
did anyone plug it in and had instantly some smoke comming out?

happened to me when i firstz pluged it in, pluged it out right away, now when i plug it in again its normal and green light showing? did it break?

Are you sure that wasn't pot smoke bro?

lol :) wassssup!

hehe yeap :)

nmnm,just trying to get this work,,
getting this now :(
http://puu.sh/ncvAn/e1d5d4dd81.png

Either unplug and re-plug the stick, or hit M and + and type 'all' and hit Enter.

done it  done it , restarted the pc, reinstalled drivers, tried 2 different pc's same result,
tried the M and + and typed all nothing happened....

it smoked from this area aprox if i saw right
(http://i.imgur.com/lYrDFfd.jpg)

maybe from the big IR3H thing, not rly sure since i didnt sit and watch it burn out but pluged out asap
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 18, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
You do realize where you have your pot set is around 1.0v correct? Thats really high...if you had it hashing at full speed at that voltage without proper cooling you most likely fried it. These are not designed to "wing" voltage settings and hope for the best. Where did you have it plugged in when it went up in smoke?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 18, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
You do realize where you have your pot set is around 1.0v correct? Thats really high...if you had it hashing at full speed at that voltage without proper cooling you most likely fried it. These are not designed to "wing" voltage settings and hope for the best. Where did you have it plugged in when it went up in smoke?
it wasnt hashing at all, i didnt even touch anything on it, not the pot not the other things,
I downloaded the driver  and bfgminer, installed the drivers, pluged the usb into the front USB 3 port of my pc and smoke instantly started comming out so i pulled it out again

It was as i took it out of the box, didnt mess with changing anything not even pool setup in the bfg

P.s.to be honest i read upon the pot just now after seeing u write about it
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 19, 2016, 07:48:47 AM
hmm have no idea what happened then...do you have a volt meter to check what the output of the buck is? Sounds like the buck got fried somehow. Dosent make any sense though because if it was a bad part or something I would have caught it when I was testing it. Also does the stick actually show up in a COM port under windows?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 19, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
hmm have no idea what happened then...do you have a volt meter to check what the output of the buck is? Sounds like the buck got fried somehow. Dosent make any sense though because if it was a bad part or something I would have caught it when I was testing it. Also does the stick actually show up in a COM port under windows?

have to see about the voltmeter, pretty sure I got one somewhere, should i turn the "pot" down?  on com ports i get this
(http://puu.sh/ndw8M/3ea1b7f267.png)
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 19, 2016, 04:54:19 PM
hmm have no idea what happened then...do you have a volt meter to check what the output of the buck is? Sounds like the buck got fried somehow. Dosent make any sense though because if it was a bad part or something I would have caught it when I was testing it. Also does the stick actually show up in a COM port under windows?

have to see about the voltmeter, pretty sure I got one somewhere, should i turn the "pot" down?  on com ports i get this
(http://puu.sh/ndw8M/3ea1b7f267.png)

Ok so the UART chip is still working thats a good sign. Yea turn the pot a quarter turn to the left. That will get you down to near .7v for stock frequency. Then add -D 2>log.txt at the end of bfgminer, let it run for a minutes and pastbin the log to me.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 19, 2016, 06:43:01 PM
hmm have no idea what happened then...do you have a volt meter to check what the output of the buck is? Sounds like the buck got fried somehow. Dosent make any sense though because if it was a bad part or something I would have caught it when I was testing it. Also does the stick actually show up in a COM port under windows?

have to see about the voltmeter, pretty sure I got one somewhere, should i turn the "pot" down?  on com ports i get this
(http://puu.sh/ndw8M/3ea1b7f267.png)

Ok so the UART chip is still working thats a good sign. Yea turn the pot a quarter turn to the left. That will get you down to near .7v for stock frequency. Then add -D 2>log.txt at the end of bfgminer, let it run for a minutes and pastbin the log to me.

mm wait i write the -D 2 log.txt when i open this into edit? http://puu.sh/ndUVe/a9c4688ac5.png
or at the end of the name or after i start bfg?


sorry im realy not a tech pro
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 19, 2016, 06:50:55 PM
ok writen that into the file where i setup pool etc,,,

(http://puu.sh/ndVfE/17982db893.png)

Pastebin:  http://pastebin.com/EdRfF5dK


+ a orange led started (http://i.imgur.com/GTxFs0j.jpg)

and the miner got rly hot again so i plugd it out,, after shutting down the bfg the orange led kept on
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 19, 2016, 10:46:35 PM
Yea there is no response from ASIC, so either it got fried, or the buck got fried. Constant yellow LED is not a good sign either...means there is something wrong with the return COMs from ASIC. Man...did you plug this thing into a 240v socket? :p

Not sure what to tell you...it sucks because your in the EU, but if you can figure out a way to send it back to me cheap on your end ill send you a new one when I get the new batch.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: p2p on February 21, 2016, 02:21:28 AM
Yea there is no response from ASIC, so either it got fried, or the buck got fried. Constant yellow LED is not a good sign either...means there is something wrong with the return COMs from ASIC. Man...did you plug this thing into a 240v socket? :p

Not sure what to tell you...it sucks because your in the EU, but if you can figure out a way to send it back to me cheap on your end ill send you a new one when I get the new batch.

when is the new batch coming ?
any price information ? ty.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 21, 2016, 03:21:36 AM
Yea there is no response from ASIC, so either it got fried, or the buck got fried. Constant yellow LED is not a good sign either...means there is something wrong with the return COMs from ASIC. Man...did you plug this thing into a 240v socket? :p

Not sure what to tell you...it sucks because your in the EU, but if you can figure out a way to send it back to me cheap on your end ill send you a new one when I get the new batch.

when is the new batch coming ?
any price information ? ty.

Getting parts end of next week should be ready to ship out by the end of the month. Not sure on price yet, but it will be higher than first batch since I wasent able to get the same pricing due to lower quantities, and there is no wait for new buyers and will ship right away.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on February 21, 2016, 05:05:52 AM
i got 4 of these from HollyScott and i cant keep them running.. i get random dropouts.

i have them running on a superbpag 7 port hub like the one listed in this post.. on ubuntu 14.10 with bfgminer

after awhile, it seems one or two or even all of them just stop accepting shares.. it seems completely random and has nothing to do with what port or certain ones. .

im running them at the recommended speed of 144.. on the nicehash solo pool.

i have them setting on top of my computer case, that has 2 120mm fans pointing up as exhaust.. using an inferred heat gun they are only a couple c above room temp.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on February 21, 2016, 08:54:15 AM
Yea there is no response from ASIC, so either it got fried, or the buck got fried. Constant yellow LED is not a good sign either...means there is something wrong with the return COMs from ASIC. Man...did you plug this thing into a 240v socket? :p

Not sure what to tell you...it sucks because your in the EU, but if you can figure out a way to send it back to me cheap on your end ill send you a new one when I get the new batch.

sounds good, thou i'll still pay the shipping for the new one or?

Pls, just pm me ur address etc so i can go and check how much it would be to ship this one back
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 21, 2016, 07:55:29 PM
i got 4 of these from HollyScott and i cant keep them running.. i get random dropouts.

i have them running on a superbpag 7 port hub like the one listed in this post.. on ubuntu 14.10 with bfgminer

after awhile, it seems one or two or even all of them just stop accepting shares.. it seems completely random and has nothing to do with what port or certain ones. .

im running them at the recommended speed of 144.. on the nicehash solo pool.

i have them setting on top of my computer case, that has 2 120mm fans pointing up as exhaust.. using an inferred heat gun they are only a couple c above room temp.

Have you tried a different pool? I have had mixed results with nicehash solo pool as well.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: deeneendo on February 21, 2016, 10:30:13 PM
I have similar problems with tbdice occasionally, not sure what causes the freeze. it hasn't happened on litecoinpool (yet), but more testing is in progress.

Does anyone else recommend a good solo-mining pool? I like tbdice, it has a good design, but I also like not having to keep an eye on the moonies.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Jmancino2 on February 21, 2016, 11:20:07 PM
Hello. I was wondering if anyone wanted to post working volt/frequency combos?
My MoonLander came set to 1v and I don't seem to be able to adjust it below .9v, It will go all the way up to 1.6 when I try to nudge it lower. I probably broke it... 
So, I am looking for something in that range, or if there are any other tricks that might be handy. I am using the fancy Superbpag hub and I have a fan as well, I just don't seem to be able to hit a combo that keeps the thing alive.
I am using the same pool that jstephanop uses.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 22, 2016, 02:51:25 AM
Hello. I was wondering if anyone wanted to post working volt/frequency combos?
My MoonLander came set to 1v and I don't seem to be able to adjust it below .9v, It will go all the way up to 1.6 when I try to nudge it lower. I probably broke it... 
So, I am looking for something in that range, or if there are any other tricks that might be handy. I am using the fancy Superbpag hub and I have a fan as well, I just don't seem to be able to hit a combo that keeps the thing alive.
I am using the same pool that jstephanop uses.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

You definitely broke it...Normal range is .7 to 1.1v. Dont go past 1.1v or youll fry the ASIC. You probably turned it past its end point and broke the dialectic inside the pot, which changed its resistance and your getting diffrent values now.

Ive said this before but pots are very sensitive...you cannot turn them past their min/max values. If you dont know how much to turn the pot USE A VOLTMETER, and only turn the pot a few degrees at a time! If you see voltage not change that means youve reach the end of the pots range!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on February 22, 2016, 10:47:25 AM
i think there is something wrong with bfgminer.
if i have more then one plugged in.. even on different usb ports.. eventually they all stop except for one.

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: robo1955 on February 22, 2016, 11:46:09 AM
For those that asked for setup details -


Run on an Orange Pi PC with Ubuntu Vivid Velvet 15.04.

Bfgminer compiled to also run Gridseeds. Sha256 and GPU support turned off.

(./configure CFLAGS=-O3 --enable-scrypt --enable-futurebit --enable-broad-udevrules --disable-avalon  --disable-avalonmm --disable-bfx --disable-bifury      --disable-bigpic --disable-bitforce --disable-bitfury --disable-cointerra --disable-drillbit --disable-dualminer  --disable-hashbuster --disable-hashbusterusb --disable-hashfast --disable-icarus  --disable-klondike   --disable-littlefury --disable-modminer --disable-nanofury --disable-adl --disable-rockminer  --disable-twinfury --disable-x6500  --disable-zeusminer --disable-ztex  --disable-sha256d  --without-uio --without-vfio)

Running extra heatsinks and a fan with a modified 4 port cheap hub.

Voltage set at 0.87 and 0.91.

Start script :-

screen /root/gsbfg/bfgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://litecoinpool.org:3333 -u robo1955.moon2 -p 4,d=8 -S MLD:all --set MLD:clock=320 -S GSD:all --set GSD:clock=800

This gives me around 950k at the pool.

Same setup runs on a raspberry pi but with device number creep.



Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 22, 2016, 05:25:34 PM
No problems with solo mining here. Running stable for days without interruption at high frequency and adjusted volt.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on February 22, 2016, 09:35:55 PM
is anyone solo mining with these things?

i think this is my problem.. solo mining you dont produce as many shares.. so the bfgminer thinks the stick is sick cause it didnt send a share in x amount of time and just turns it off.

my setup..

ubunutu 14.10
superbpag 7 port hub..
4 sticks, at .750 @ 144 (i did set all the sticks to exactly .750)

temps on the heatsink are around 35c

they run for about 15-20 minutes.. then slowly one by one dropping out until they are all dead.. they dont get disconnected.. they just stop getting work.

one thing to note, there is nothing wrong with the sticks.. i can run them one at a time in standard usb port for hours on the pool on the main page..


Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Jmancino2 on February 22, 2016, 11:20:26 PM
Hello. I broke my thing. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

You definitely broke it...Normal range is .7 to 1.1v. Dont go past 1.1v or youll fry the ASIC. You probably turned it past its end point and broke the dialectic inside the pot, which changed its resistance and your getting diffrent values now.

Ive said this before but pots are very sensitive...you cannot turn them past their min/max values. If you dont know how much to turn the pot USE A VOLTMETER, and only turn the pot a few degrees at a time! If you see voltage not change that means youve reach the end of the pots range!

I actually got lucky and it seems that I just don't know how to properly read my voltmeter...embarrassing. I set it to .75 now and it seems to be working as it should at 144. I have already bought another one thinking this one was dead, so I am looking forward to setting that up as well. Thanks for the neat piece of hardware.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 23, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
is anyone solo mining with these things?

i think this is my problem.. solo mining you dont produce as many shares.. so the bfgminer thinks the stick is sick cause it didnt send a share in x amount of time and just turns it off.

my setup..

ubunutu 14.10
superbpag 7 port hub..
4 sticks, at .750 @ 144 (i did set all the sticks to exactly .750)

temps on the heatsink are around 35c

they run for about 15-20 minutes.. then slowly one by one dropping out until they are all dead.. they dont get disconnected.. they just stop getting work.

one thing to note, there is nothing wrong with the sticks.. i can run them one at a time in standard usb port for hours on the pool on the main page..
Awww there we go, that is my issue I am solo mining and mine keep turning off due to this, sadly that is the reason I bought these. I wonder if there will be some way to fix this?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 23, 2016, 07:24:34 PM
Ill look into the solo mining issue. I know nicehash solo still submits regular shares so it *should* keep it alive. Maybe you guys have the diff too low?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 23, 2016, 08:07:21 PM
Ill look into the solo mining issue. I know nicehash solo still submits regular shares so it *should* keep it alive. Maybe you guys have the diff too low?
Weird that is the solo I have it set on and it turns it off rather quickly, not too sure on this. How would you change the difficulty? Isn't that set by the pool?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 24, 2016, 08:20:17 PM
Ill look into the solo mining issue. I know nicehash solo still submits regular shares so it *should* keep it alive. Maybe you guys have the diff too low?
Weird that is the solo I have it set on and it turns it off rather quickly, not too sure on this. How would you change the difficulty? Isn't that set by the pool?

You have to check what ports are set to what difficulty by the pool. I know with nicehash you can directly set it by using the password "d=x" where x is the difficulty.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 25, 2016, 05:12:19 PM
Ill look into the solo mining issue. I know nicehash solo still submits regular shares so it *should* keep it alive. Maybe you guys have the diff too low?
Weird that is the solo I have it set on and it turns it off rather quickly, not too sure on this. How would you change the difficulty? Isn't that set by the pool?

You have to check what ports are set to what difficulty by the pool. I know with nicehash you can directly set it by using the password "d=x" where x is the difficulty.
What would be the best difficulty for these sticks?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 25, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
Ill look into the solo mining issue. I know nicehash solo still submits regular shares so it *should* keep it alive. Maybe you guys have the diff too low?
Weird that is the solo I have it set on and it turns it off rather quickly, not too sure on this. How would you change the difficulty? Isn't that set by the pool?

You have to check what ports are set to what difficulty by the pool. I know with nicehash you can directly set it by using the password "d=x" where x is the difficulty.
What would be the best difficulty for these sticks?

Does not really matter...it just depends on how fast you like seeing shares submitted to the pool ;) As long as it does not submit faster than a share a second most pools will be fine with it. I always run mine at the min diff of 16 per stick, which submits a share every second or so, if your pool drops you then you need to increase it, but anything past 128 or so will take on the order of minutes to submit shares which could make bfgminer think its sick or dead.

Obviously if your running more than one stick you should multiply your diff with the number of sticks your running.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 26, 2016, 02:18:08 AM
Ill look into the solo mining issue. I know nicehash solo still submits regular shares so it *should* keep it alive. Maybe you guys have the diff too low?
Weird that is the solo I have it set on and it turns it off rather quickly, not too sure on this. How would you change the difficulty? Isn't that set by the pool?

You have to check what ports are set to what difficulty by the pool. I know with nicehash you can directly set it by using the password "d=x" where x is the difficulty.
What would be the best difficulty for these sticks?

Does not really matter...it just depends on how fast you like seeing shares submitted to the pool ;) As long as it does not submit faster than a share a second most pools will be fine with it. I always run mine at the min diff of 16 per stick, which submits a share every second or so, if your pool drops you then you need to increase it, but anything past 128 or so will take on the order of minutes to submit shares which could make bfgminer think its sick or dead.

Obviously if your running more than one stick you should multiply your diff with the number of sticks your running.
Weird, minera just keeps reporting it offline, I think the custom build is buggy. Is there any official release coming soon? I really can't wait because there is no way my hashrates should be so screwy and the sticks keep turning off.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 26, 2016, 04:34:36 AM
Sorry I don't have time to support any third party software other than bfgminer. When I get time I'm hoping to build out some GUI based apps on Mac/PC but not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on February 26, 2016, 03:40:39 PM
Sorry I don't have time to support any third party software other than bfgminer. When I get time I'm hoping to build out some GUI based apps on Mac/PC but not anytime soon.
Well looks like I will have to try and run these on a mini windows pc as there is no way 200kh/s is correct for 248freq and two sticks.

EDIT:Actually, will the linux guide work for debian on a pi? I could set it up on that and go from there.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on February 27, 2016, 12:33:24 AM
i got one of those digital usb testers and at 144 its looking like its using .4A well within the usb spec..

still i cant get 4 to run on a hub for more then an hour or so without them dropping down to 0kh/s

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Mr. Jinx on February 27, 2016, 07:49:06 AM
Well looks like I will have to try and run these on a mini windows pc as there is no way 200kh/s is correct for 248freq and two sticks.

EDIT:Actually, will the linux guide work for debian on a pi? I could set it up on that and go from there.
Did you adjust voltage? I noticed that it runs fine around .8v. Going to .85 ~ .9v the sticks will mine, but will eventually (random) stop with no reason.
I tested this with the same freq.

The linux guide will work on Raspbian. I used Jessy lite. Only 'git' was missing.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 27, 2016, 04:10:03 PM
should work with any linux flavor, its just a matter of using the right commands to get the proper packages on different distros...but as long as all the dependancies are properly installed it will compile and work.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: cryptominimum on February 27, 2016, 11:59:45 PM
Greetings all,
New here and to hashing.  My son and I just started with the pi and a gridseed orb last month and were happy to have procured a Moonlander since then.  Very nice work on this stick Jstefanop!  As to solo mining, I'm hashing at TBdice with my diff set to 16 for  2 weeks with only 3 or 4 disconnects.  (Not sure if you consider this real so!o). Rock steady on a  win 8 laptop.  Will be trying the pi next.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on February 28, 2016, 05:40:40 PM
Greetings all,
New here and to hashing.  My son and I just started with the pi and a gridseed orb last month and were happy to have procured a Moonlander since then.  Very nice work on this stick Jstefanop!  As to solo mining, I'm hashing at TBdice with my diff set to 16 for  2 weeks with only 3 or 4 disconnects.  (Not sure if you consider this real so!o). Rock steady on a  win 8 laptop.  Will be trying the pi next.

Thank you and welcome to Litecoin! You guys are exactly who I wanted the Moonlander to appeal too and I'm happy my project got a few new people aboard Litecoin and cryptocurrencies.

Speaking of solo mining, theoretically there should have been about 4 blocks found with the combined hashrate of all the moonlanders out there...has anyone here been lucky enough to get a solo LTC block with these yet??? If so definitely post and show us the block!
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: loshia on February 28, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Greetings all,
New here and to hashing.  My son and I just started with the pi and a gridseed orb last month and were happy to have procured a Moonlander since then.  Very nice work on this stick Jstefanop!  As to solo mining, I'm hashing at TBdice with my diff set to 16 for  2 weeks with only 3 or 4 disconnects.  (Not sure if you consider this real so!o). Rock steady on a  win 8 laptop.  Will be trying the pi next.
Greetings Sir,
Yeah it is real solo. About pool disconnects these are due to some routing issues in pool collocation center
Best
Loshia
TBDice pool op
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on February 28, 2016, 06:23:30 PM
Greetings all,
New here and to hashing.  My son and I just started with the pi and a gridseed orb last month and were happy to have procured a Moonlander since then.  Very nice work on this stick Jstefanop!  As to solo mining, I'm hashing at TBdice with my diff set to 16 for  2 weeks with only 3 or 4 disconnects.  (Not sure if you consider this real so!o). Rock steady on a  win 8 laptop.  Will be trying the pi next.

Thank you and welcome to Litecoin! You guys are exactly who I wanted the Moonlander to appeal too and I'm happy my project got a few new people aboard Litecoin and cryptocurrencies.

Speaking of solo mining, theoretically there should have been about 4 blocks found with the combined hashrate of all the moonlanders out there...has anyone here been lucky enough to get a solo LTC block with these yet??? If so definitely post and show us the block!

i am still having a really hard time keeping mine running for more then a few minutes before they shut down.

ive tried, 3 different laptops.. old and new.
4 different pcs.. windows 10, 7, linux

i have an anker 10 port hub and 2 superbpag 7 port hubs


i also have a few generic hubs, but those wont give them enough power and they keep making a new device over and over and over.



i can run one on usb with one of those Y cords, for hours.


but if i add another one.. even on a different usb port. they stop.

i think its bfgminer or something in the drivers that doesnt give them enough work.. or i dunno.. its not power related because i have one of those usb testers.



and when they stop running, the power draw is the same as if its running..
5v .6A @ .8v 200M

idle is around 5v .2A or so.

i dunno what to do..

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on March 01, 2016, 04:27:29 AM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on March 01, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
you have to code in some initialization delay on the driver.. sometimes i have to restart bfgminer 3 or 4 times to get all the sticks to show up.

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on March 01, 2016, 03:26:42 PM
you have to code in some initialization delay on the driver.. sometimes i have to restart bfgminer 3 or 4 times to get all the sticks to show up.
How would I go about to code some initial delay on the driver? Is there just a term i add to the script?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on March 01, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?

Thats a hub/power issue...means the sticks are getting disconnected and reconnected continuously.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on March 01, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
you have to code in some initialization delay on the driver.. sometimes i have to restart bfgminer 3 or 4 times to get all the sticks to show up.
How would I go about to code some initial delay on the driver? Is there just a term i add to the script?

no jstefanop has to do it.

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: kingcolex on March 01, 2016, 05:59:49 PM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?

Thats a hub/power issue...means the sticks are getting disconnected and reconnected continuously.
That's odd I am using a really good hub that works for my gecko sticks 100%, I will try another hub when I get home but that hub is really good.

Here is the current hub I am using : http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Upgraded-Warranty-Protector-Indicators/dp/B00JEVRXQA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456855419&sr=8-2&keywords=etekcity+usb+hub
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on March 01, 2016, 06:03:25 PM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?

Thats a hub/power issue...means the sticks are getting disconnected and reconnected continuously.
That's odd I am using a really good hub that works for my gecko sticks 100%.

its not the hub. i bet if you fire up bfgminer with no sticks connected and connect one at a time they will all turn on..
these sticks only use .4A at 144 and less then .6 at 200, well under the .9A most hubs cap at.

its bfgminer trying to fire up all the sticks at the same time. watch the red lights..
the red light will flash on ALL of them at the same time when they start up. even tho i am using a 60w hub, i think for that second its getting overloaded.

the cgminer gekko driver has a delay in it.. so those sticks will start up one at a time.. watch the lights.

i actually think this is the reason they drop out too..
it needs a delay.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on March 01, 2016, 08:09:33 PM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?

Thats a hub/power issue...means the sticks are getting disconnected and reconnected continuously.
That's odd I am using a really good hub that works for my gecko sticks 100%, I will try another hub when I get home but that hub is really good.

Here is the current hub I am using : http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Upgraded-Warranty-Protector-Indicators/dp/B00JEVRXQA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456855419&sr=8-2&keywords=etekcity+usb+hub

oh, this hub wont work.. i have this hub.. it wont even power on ONE of them.. it just blinks a few times and turns off.
ironically, i do have 3 gekko sticks on this hub, running at 225M with no issues.

im having a hard time getting them all to power on an anker 60w 10 port hub and a superbpag 70w 7 port hub.
i still think a delay in the driver will help tho.. it spikes the power pretty hard when they initialize.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: seapau on March 02, 2016, 08:33:40 AM
I have 4 of these moonlanders running now, running @ stock voltage and clock (0.7v and 144 MHz). I am running 3 of them on one windows 7 desktop with USB 3.0 ports and 1 of them on a windows 7 desktop with USB 2.0 ports, after some trial and error. USB3.0 SS (superspeed) ports offered no benefit, and USB 2.0 seemed to lack the power to run more than 1 unit even at stock speeds. I tried higher clock speeds up to 200MHz, but after a while one of them or more fail and get stuck in a power cycle (I think, red light gets stuck on and processing fails, or just stops submitting shares). I was able to get 2 of the moonlanders to run at 200MHz stable for a long time on the computer with USB3.0. At stock speeds they all run about 400+ KH/s mining litecoin at ltc.give-me-coins.com pool, doesn't seem like much profit in a pool but this is where I will start until I get them all running stable, fast, and efficient. I'm going to get a 70W superpbag 7 port hub soon to give the units the power they need and then step up the voltage and clock. It is all looking good. For cooling I use standalone fans or arctic breeze mobile usb fans, or if its cool enough outside I might just open a window.
Just one question, I see some settings in windows for the Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART bridge, under device manager>Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge right click menu>properties>port settings, will changing these settings do anything? Or are these settings just for legacy devices? Some examples of settings I see are bits per second, data bits, parity, stop bits, flow control. I'm just wondering if these can be tweaked to allow better performance (I leave them all default since it's already working fine).
edit: Even one unit on a USB 2.0 port seems hard to keep running at stock speed, obviously needs USB 3.0 or a powered USB hub.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: zyzzyva on March 02, 2016, 12:38:06 PM
I've got 5 MoonLanders running stably at a clock speed of 288, and they're working great! But, I've noticed that they get pretty hot. I do have a fan on them, but my setup is fragile, to say the least. Has anybody tried orienting the MoonLanders so they're pointing upward, and then resting a 120mm or so fan directly on top of the heat sinks? Assuming I could set things up so the blades of the fan weren't hitting the heat sinks, would that damage the MoonLanders?

How are other people cooling their MoonLanders?
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: omargeek on March 04, 2016, 09:59:34 AM
Hello,

I'm trying to make work 2 MoonLander together sice some days under linux.

It seams there are very big problems with USB power supply..

I guess.. Isn't it simpler if I solder two wires on the USB connector and connect it to an external 5V DC power supply?

Do you think it is possible? or I'm going to burn something up?

thank you
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Jmancino2 on March 05, 2016, 03:50:11 AM
How are other people cooling their MoonLanders?
I only have 2, so I am using a simple USB fan, that just plugs in to a port. I don't think it matters really what particular fan you use, but you do want the air to flow through the heat sinks, not necessarily right on top.


I'm going to burn something up!
I use the superbag 7 port hub that lots of people mentioned earlier in the thread. It provides the correct voltage you need.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: seapau on March 05, 2016, 04:13:05 AM
I got the superbpag hub recently, it works great. Only complaints are that two of the usb ports are slightly closer together on the usb inbut end, and then the heatsink almost touches the components of the unit in front of it. And there is no stand or mounting, so you pretty much need to figure out on your own how to stand it up. I had ghetto rig it with some broken pieces of plastic and rubber to make a little stand so the fans can hit it right and blow parallel with the heatsink fins. I'm using a couple arctic mobile usb fans now, seems to keep it pretty cool. The fans are about 6-10 inches away from the heatsinks plugged into the top/front usb ports blowing on the 4 miners on top of the computer case, both parallel with the heatsink fins and into the open end of the heatsink.
Edit: changed the VDC to 0.845V on the pots.  I like 304 MHz for the clock. Seems ok, runs cool and hardware error and rejection rates below 5% total, maybe need to turn up the voltage a bit
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: zyzzyva on March 05, 2016, 07:46:28 PM
Thanks, all. I agree on the Superbpag hubs, they're the best, except for the orientation of the ports.  :P

My current cooling setup is to stack two hubs, with the sticks facing out (parallel to the floor), and with a 120mm Thermaltake USB fan right in front of them, blowing air down the grooves of the heatsinks. I have a spacer in the middle to keep the hubs above and below the "dead spot" in the center of the fan. The heatsinks still get as hot as 45-50c at a clock speed of 288. Maybe that's the best I'm going to get??
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: Jmancino2 on March 05, 2016, 09:00:08 PM
The heat post made me go back and look at my setup...I think mine were overheating. Currently have reset them set back to default .75v and 144 clock, I have my 120mm fan blowing directly through the fins, and they are running at 28-32c. I also picked up some extensions so I don't have to deal w/the hub spacing. Cable Matters 2 Pack, SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Type A Male to Female Extension Cable in Black 3 Feet I tested and they seem to hold the usb voltage and give you a lot more space, so that is probably helping as well.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: jstefanop on March 06, 2016, 09:29:33 AM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?

Thats a hub/power issue...means the sticks are getting disconnected and reconnected continuously.
That's odd I am using a really good hub that works for my gecko sticks 100%, I will try another hub when I get home but that hub is really good.

Here is the current hub I am using : http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Upgraded-Warranty-Protector-Indicators/dp/B00JEVRXQA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456855419&sr=8-2&keywords=etekcity+usb+hub

oh, this hub wont work.. i have this hub.. it wont even power on ONE of them.. it just blinks a few times and turns off.
ironically, i do have 3 gekko sticks on this hub, running at 225M with no issues.

im having a hard time getting them all to power on an anker 60w 10 port hub and a superbpag 70w 7 port hub.
i still think a delay in the driver will help tho.. it spikes the power pretty hard when they initialize.

Ill see about adding a delay in the driver (bfgminer is highly threaded so it would not be trivial to do), in the meantime you can just manually added each miner one by one directly within bfgminer (so initial settings you can start bfgminer with one stick port specified, then press M and start adding the rest of them one by one manually). Im pretty sure this is still not the issue with the misbehaving hubs though, as I did test this myself with some of the bad hubs and manually starting them one by one didnt make a diffrence.
Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: aarons6 on March 06, 2016, 09:33:57 AM
Alright so I am on fresh debian with BFG installed by the guide, I am up and running and noticing a similar issue I had with Minera. It looks like for only two sticks I have at least 66 MLD. I have no clue what this is about and I can't get my hashrate right because of this.  What do I set MLD: to for 2 sticks on linux?

Thats a hub/power issue...means the sticks are getting disconnected and reconnected continuously.
That's odd I am using a really good hub that works for my gecko sticks 100%, I will try another hub when I get home but that hub is really good.

Here is the current hub I am using : http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Upgraded-Warranty-Protector-Indicators/dp/B00JEVRXQA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456855419&sr=8-2&keywords=etekcity+usb+hub

oh, this hub wont work.. i have this hub.. it wont even power on ONE of them.. it just blinks a few times and turns off.
ironically, i do have 3 gekko sticks on this hub, running at 225M with no issues.

im having a hard time getting them all to power on an anker 60w 10 port hub and a superbpag 70w 7 port hub.
i still think a delay in the driver will help tho.. it spikes the power pretty hard when they initialize.

Ill see about adding a delay in the driver (bfgminer is highly threaded so it would not be trivial to do), in the meantime you can just manually added each miner one by one directly within bfgminer (so initial settings you can start bfgminer with one stick port specified, then press M and start adding the rest of them one by one manually). Im pretty sure this is still not the issue with the misbehaving hubs though, as I did test this myself with some of the bad hubs and manually starting them one by one didnt make a diffrence.


just plugging them in one at a time when bfgminer is running works..

but i found a new issue..

when a pool goes down and it switches to backup, they throw out nothing but hardware errors for a few seconds..

Title: Re: Official FutureBit MoonLander USB Scrypt Stick Software and Support Discussion
Post by: seapau on March 10, 2016, 06:26:58 AM
I think I might have found a bug with the BFgminer-FutureBit-5.4--win64 build, related to plug and play ability of some mice and keyboards. I think it has to do with bfgminer or windows attempting to constantly recognize new devices as hubs or mining devices. Or maybe it's some sort of conflict with the way the keyboard works, since it is a usb composite device with a usb port on the back. Specifically I am using a Logitech G110 keyboard with a Corsair M95 mouse, the mouse is plugged into the usb port on the back of the keyboard, and then that usb cable from the keyboard plugged into the back of the windows 7 desktop. I like to use the same mouse and keyboard between a few devices, so the problem comes when I have bfgminer running and I unplug my mouse and keyboard and then when I plug it back in the mouse and keyboard won't work. I thought mice and keyboards were supposed to be generally plug and play, and I already have the drivers installed for the mouse and keyboard and plug and play seemed to work fine before bfgminer. Also, after this happens it prevents any new keyboard from working that is plugged in (even a different standard keyboard, and even though the keyboard is receiving power as shown by the lights). It's pretty frustrating not being able to use a keyboard, even though I can usually get a standard mouse to work if its plugged in directly. I will keep playing with things to see if I find an easy solution, otherwise I could just keep the same mouse and keyboard plugged in. When I plug in some usb device then bfgminer throws up some sort of failed errors about not recognizing a usb device or hub or not finding a specified file and Windows acts like it's trying to install drivers for some reason, even though I should have the drivers already, so I tried turning off windows update to try to keep windows from trying to find drivers, no luck.
PS. not sure if it matters but the PC I'm using is an Asus Essentio CM6870 US-3AD model, core i7 3770, 16GB ram, 2TB hdd, Windows 7 home premium 64 bit SP1 (just realized it came with asus ai charger, wonder if that's why I was able to get 3 running without a powered usb hub). Other usb devices plugged in besides the superbpag hub with 4 moonlanders is just 2 usb fans, a printer, and the mouse/keyboard I mentioned earlier.