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Title: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: p2p on February 08, 2015, 07:33:56 PM
I am sorry to say it, but I believe we have reached the point where there is nothing to hope and wait for.

I am reaching out again to initial hardware buyers from Chris to provide any evidence they can against him / his company.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Sukarti on February 08, 2015, 08:20:01 PM
Have you contacted attorneys to see if you have a case?

How are you intending to gather funding? (If I recall you took out loans to buy LTCGear shares, attorneys work on retainer paid up front.)

It's an extremely expensive proposition.

Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: p2p on February 08, 2015, 08:43:27 PM
Have you contacted attorneys to see if you have a case?
i already have my share of legal experience. this particular case was not disscused with a lawyer, but i do know the steps i have to take.

How are you intending to gather funding? [...] attorneys work on retainer paid up front.

i constantly work with attorneys. if needed a dear family friend is a lawyer and will provide help if needed be (he owes me working hours anyway)
and you actualy don't need a lawyer to file somee complains (criminal and companies related). let me detail:
i) filing a complaint with ""consumer protection" - will probably not resolve much, just a real heads up "pay us now" if they have the money and are wiling to pay us anything
ii) you don't need a lawyer to send a complain to the fiscal authoroties about a company that sold a lot of services under the table and didnt reported the income, and didnt paid VAT on it
iii) criminal complain - again, no money needed; some legal help advised, but not mandatory; will trigger a legal criminal investigation


It's an extremely expensive proposition.

nope, is not. once under investigation, legal authoroties will provide some ligth. and at that point we will know if it is worth it going towards a civil case or not.

Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: artilectinc on February 08, 2015, 08:45:25 PM
I am sorry to say it, but I believe we have reached the point where there is nothing to hope and wait for.

I am reaching out again to initial hardware buyers from Chris to provide any evidence they can against him / his company.

Wow you were so patient too.

To be honest your statements are just more hot air.  Everyone has a lawyer that they can get at the drop of a hat but they never asked them to do some research on ltcgear in the first place.  Of and he owes you too.  Everyone has one of those friends too I guess.  Well if it is that cheap for you then you can spot everyone's legal fees to get this case going.  Thanks.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on February 08, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
Have you contacted attorneys to see if you have a case?

How are you intending to gather funding? (If I recall you took out loans to buy LTCGear shares, attorneys work on retainer paid up front.)

It's an extremely expensive proposition.

Sukarti, if I was to go through a small claims court in the UK, Romania being in the EU would I have to travel to Romania to appear in court if it was taken that far or would it be dealt with through passed messages to and from the UK? From what I was told I have to pay a small amount as I am covered by legal aid in the UK, I will also have to pay for a solicitor to deliver/apply for a summons. I read something online about it being done via video feed or something along those lines..

Also Cristian would have to physically accept a summons for him to be liable to show up in court. As its a 'civil' matter (absolute bullshit) his personal information is clearly protected by the data protection act, meaning if he has packed bags and fucked off the chances of him accepting a summons is slim to none meaning money is better off used as shitty toilet paper.

Truth be told I reported this whole case to literally 3-4 different law agencies and I have yet to receive any form of response.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Sukarti on February 08, 2015, 10:32:10 PM
I'm not familiar with EU small claims court practices.

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/consumers/protection_of_consumers/l16028_en.htm

Looks to have limited function given the 2000 Euro cap.

Unless you own only a handful of shares then it may be approachable.

Like I mentioned in PM, approach a few attorneys, they can at least give you an idea what is involved and what your potential options are.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on February 09, 2015, 12:24:30 AM
I'm not familiar with EU small claims court practices.

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/consumers/protection_of_consumers/l16028_en.htm

Looks to have limited function given the 2000 Euro cap.

Unless you own only a handful of shares then it may be approachable.

Like I mentioned in PM, approach a few attorneys, they can at least give you an idea what is involved and what your potential options are.

Very interesting, my current owed amount is roughly 1794.00 Euro, I knew that because Romania was in the EU I could deal with it in the UK, I was hoping I would not have to travel over to Bucharest to sit in court, adding more expenses I may not get back. Looks like this will be my way forward, thanks Suk and good luck to the rest of you. I know your not a lawyer but I presume I have to fill out an address for Cristian, what happens if he never recieves the letter?
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Sukarti on February 09, 2015, 02:37:02 AM
You file a ton of paper work increasing your cost, eventually you get some form of default/judgement.

You then send it to collections if you can't locate assets to lien against.


It's a crap shoot but good luck if you pursue it.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Forceflow on February 09, 2015, 10:12:53 PM
You then send it to collections if you can't locate assets to lien against.

That's where you are throwing good money after bad (assuming LTCGear is kaput, which is a tenuous assumption at best).  I see no reason to rush this determination or any benefit in pursuing a claim now.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on February 10, 2015, 12:21:19 PM
As soon as law enforcement in the UK verify Cristians registered address a summons will be sent its as simple as that. If he fails to respond given permission from the court you can display the order in a local courthouse or the newspaper (requires special permission). If by this point Cristian fails to respond a warrant will be out for his arrest all thanks to Romania being in the EU.

Anybody from the EU needs to take the exact same steps as myself, report him via actionfraud, await response and go from there. If you are in the UK you may be covered by legal aid, remember that. Call me a day dreamer, call me a retard what ever it is you want.. Either sit on the forums talking shit all day or try doing something, fail or not at least I can say I tried.

One more thing, lets just hope Cristian has declared this money because if he hasn't well its goodbye Vienna, none of us will see shit if the government gets hold of it. Probably wise that some people insist on waiting although its a shit - shit situation.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Goroz on February 10, 2015, 03:41:48 PM
As soon as law enforcement in the UK verify Cristians registered address a summons will be sent its as simple as that. If he fails to respond given permission from the court you can display the order in a local courthouse or the newspaper (requires special permission). If by this point Cristian fails to respond a warrant will be out for his arrest all thanks to Romania being in the EU.

Anybody from the EU needs to take the exact same steps as myself, report him via actionfraud, await response and go from there. If you are in the UK you may be covered by legal aid, remember that. Call me a day dreamer, call me a retard what ever it is you want.. Either sit on the forums talking shit all day or try doing something, fail or not at least I can say I tried.

One more thing, lets just hope Cristian has declared this money because if he hasn't well its goodbye Vienna, none of us will see shit if the government gets hold of it. Probably wise that some people insist on waiting although its a shit - shit situation.

Has anyone looked into options for USA citizens? I'm sure there are options as the US and EU typically work together on things...
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Rockyroad on February 21, 2015, 04:08:37 AM
Anyone that invested money in LTCGear must accept that it is gone.  The deal was a scam from the very beginning.  It was obvious with all the talk about how they could offer returns higher than everybody else because they were genius enough to manufacture hardware that was better than anything on the market.  The money is gone.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: iamwaiting on February 26, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
yes, i too think so, now the maintenance script going to run forever.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: wiggl3r on February 26, 2015, 05:41:44 PM
Dont forget to add in the fact that IF you win anything then you will probably lose 30-40% off the bat to the lawyer.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on March 04, 2015, 12:31:43 PM
Dont forget to add in the fact that IF you win anything then you will probably lose 30-40% off the bat to the lawyer.

To be honest, I highly doubt you will even get anything.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: leodio on March 08, 2015, 12:04:21 PM
For me it is necessary to contact a person who is able to check airplane's ticket and so is able to know his last travel and so his (probably) position.
Then, contact a person on his place and start investigating. We need a professionist so we will have to pay him. I am agree about that.
Too much lies to pass trought.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on March 08, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
For me it is necessary to contact a person who is able to check airplane's ticket and so is able to know his last travel and so his (probably) position.
Then, contact a person on his place and start investigating. We need a professionist so we will have to pay him. I am agree about that.
Too much lies to pass trought.

Good luck finding somebody who will break the law and most likely loose their job by gathering such information. That's a job for the police, and I doubt the police are interested at this stage.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: leodio on March 08, 2015, 12:18:49 PM
For me it is necessary to contact a person who is able to check airplane's ticket and so is able to know his last travel and so his (probably) position.
Then, contact a person on his place and start investigating. We need a professionist so we will have to pay him. I am agree about that.
Too much lies to pass trought.

Good luck finding somebody who will break the law and most likely loose their job by gathering such information. That's a job for the police, and I doubt the police are interested at this stage.

Nobody spoke about "breaking law", for it Cristian is enough  ;)
A professionist can do it if there is a crime.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on March 11, 2015, 08:50:50 AM
For me it is necessary to contact a person who is able to check airplane's ticket and so is able to know his last travel and so his (probably) position.
Then, contact a person on his place and start investigating. We need a professionist so we will have to pay him. I am agree about that.
Too much lies to pass trought.

Good luck finding somebody who will break the law and most likely loose their job by gathering such information. That's a job for the police, and I doubt the police are interested at this stage.

Nobody spoke about "breaking law", for it Cristian is enough  ;)
A professionist can do it if there is a crime.

Alright checking plane tickets, private information. I am pretty sure with all the data protection act and other said bullshit not just any civilian person could find that out. I am also sure something like that requires a warrant to gain that information. As per the illegal side, good luck finding what airline he uses to fly with, good luck finding an employee within that airline to break some form of rule to obtain said data then release it to whoever is asking for it. I agree given the case its bullshit but thats the law, its bullshit.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Ǫ̶̷̕͜Ź̛ḿ͜a͞͞͠͏ś̡͟͠͡t́͏é̴r on March 11, 2015, 09:27:27 AM
gl with legal actions
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Jayke on March 11, 2015, 01:36:45 PM
gl with legal actions

With that attitude its a given.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Aj on April 02, 2015, 07:53:26 PM
Hi please share some info about chis so that I can take a legal action
Pm to [email protected]

Please send me any info you have . . .
I have a lawyer in my family she will take this up for a low fee
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: Goroz on April 03, 2015, 06:27:11 PM
Hi please share some info about chis so that I can take a legal action
Pm to [email protected]

Please send me any info you have . . .
I have a lawyer in my family she will take this up for a low fee

Look at this link... https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=25141.0

Looks like the guy is a bit ahead of you in this process... It's well organized and the guy seems willing and able to pull something off.
Title: Re: It's time for ltcgear legal action
Post by: caso on January 07, 2016, 04:08:37 AM
thank yoiu   ;)



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